Scholar Fixes

[Xygoz]

Emergency Tactics + Adlo + Deployement Tactics = Benediction for everybody every 1 min ?

no...
Deployment tactics only works on shields...when emergency tactics is used Galvanize isn't a buff that goes on the target its just a heal.
1000/1000 heal/shield turns into a 2000 heal

[AlphaSonic]

no...
Deployment tactics only works on shields...when emergency tactics is used Galvanize isn't a buff that goes on the target its just a heal.
1000/1000 heal/shield turns into a 2000 heal

It would be stupidly OP, unless you make it 3 to 5 minute cooldown. Remember that you can always use largesse to increase the potency. A guarante crit shield should have at least 3 min cooldown or should share CD with Deployment.

[Riyshn]

It would be stupidly OP, unless you make it 3 to 5 minute cooldown.

At the 1000/1000/(2000) numbers it would be, but that's not what the actual potencies are. Adlo is 300/300, which makes the base heal from it under Emergency Tactics into 600. This is equivalent to Lustrate, and is actually still lower than Cure II/Benefic II. Crit multiplier is 1.4 (I believe), so giving Emergency Tactics a guaranteed crit effect bring it up to 840, which is reasonable on a 30sec CD, especially because it would still be tied to Adlo's MP cost.

After typing that I realized that the crit multiplier on Adlo's shield translating to healing probably would be OP, as that would make it a 1260 potency heal every 30 seconds, but that could be worked around by just saying that Emergency Tactics isn't a true crit, but is instead a direct multiplier.

EDIT: And after typing that I realized that HW Essential Dignity was a free (conditional) 1000 potency heal on a 40sec CD, so maybe actually not that OP after all.

[Deox]

Aldo's mp cost would still be super high so it would still be fine, if someone mp's out becuase they did an adlo every 30 seconds for no reason then they are just bad tbh

The 30 sec cooldown typically will let you handle aoe heals and tank buster heals if needed as well as they tend to be that spaced apart, though in a group of 8 succor healing isn't usually needed outside of rare hyper potent boss aoe spam in progression content

[AlphaSonic]

Oh, I didn't read that part about keeping the healing effect. Still your reasoning is stupid.

Scholars lack an emergency heal that we can use reliably, this would turn Adlo into one without adding a new skill to scholars
Emergency Tactics Your next Adlo or Succor is a forced crit along with its currect effect. increase recast to 45 seconds

Do you even play SCH? SCH are the kings of emergency heals. If you don't have an emergency heal that can be used reliably it's because you mismanaged and you should be punished. AST only has 1 emergency heal ONLY 1 every 40 seconds. SCH has 3 every 60 seconds and can even be AoE. Don't tell me you don't have them because I'm going to answer you, get good.

And if you have 0 emergency heals, there's a skill called dissipation that grants you 3 more stacks. That's the moment when you kill the fairy.

BTW half of your buffs are broken.

[Riyshn]

Oh, I didn't read that part about keeping the healing effect. Still your reasoning is stupid.



Do you even play SCH? SCH are the kings of emergency heals. If you don't have an emergency heal that can be used reliably it's because you mismanaged and you should be punished. AST only has 1 emergency heal ONLY 1 every 40 seconds. SCH has 3 every 60 seconds and can even be AoE. Don't tell me you don't have them because I'm going to answer you, get good.

And if you have 0 emergency heals, there's a skill called dissipation that grants you 3 more stacks. That's the moment when you kill the fairy.

BTW half of your buffs are broken.

Ok, first of all, Lustrate is not an emergency heal. At 600 potency, it is weaker than the secondary heals WHM and AST get at Lv30 and Lv26 respectively, and is additionally gated behind Aetherflow's limited stacks. SCH doesn't currently have an emergency heal, unless you count gambling on a Emergency Tactics + Critlo.

Second, if you're going to quote me, please actually quote me, instead of putting in new random points I wasn't trying to make in the first place that you can then "counter"

Third, wow, that's a lot of very insulting things you just assumed from me giving basically nothing but numbers, all of which already exist in the game.

[Kabzy]

Ok, first of all, Lustrate is not an emergency heal. At 600 potency, it is weaker than the secondary heals WHM and AST get at Lv30 and Lv26 respectively, and is additionally gated behind Aetherflow's limited stacks. SCH doesn't currently have an emergency heal, unless you count gambling on a Emergency Tactics + Critlo.

I would actually argue that emergency heals are the only thing SCH has an advantage on at this point. AST and WHM have Essential and Tetra, but generally they will utilise those outside of emergency situations for more GCD effeciency. Lustrate is different because it's gated by Aetherflow, we generally manage our stacks and so we have it at our disposal to actually use for emergencies. That and we can potentially have multiple uses at one given time. It may only be 600 potency, but in most situations that will be enough to rescue a situation and then act appropriately.

And while Assize/Earthly Star may be overall better moves, Indom is still strongest at being the best emergency AoE heal. Better potency than Assize, and doesn't require placing/clicking like Earthly Star

Edit: Also, ET + Adlo would never be considered an emergency heal, even if it crits. Emergency buttons don't need to replicate Benediction and heal a huge amount, it just needs to save a member from death. Generally that means it will have to be an instant move with a decent enough potency to keep someone alive. Lustrate fits this perfectly.

[Riyshn]

I would actually argue that emergency heals are the only thing SCH brings at this point. AST and WHM have Essential and Tetra, but generally they will utilise those outside of emergency situations for more GCD effeciency. Lustrate is different because it's gated by Aetherflow, we generally manage our stacks and so we have it at our disposal to actually use for emergencies. That and we can potentially have multiple uses at one given time. It may only be 600 potency, but in most situations that will be enough to rescue a situation and then act appropriately.

And while Assize/Earthly Star may be overall better moves, Indom is still strongest at being the best emergency AoE heal. Better potency than Assize, and doesn't require placing/clicking like Earthly Star

SCH specialize in planned heals. The limited nature of Aetherflow tends to mean that in an emergency situation with a SCH, one of 4 things happens.

The fight was not planned to need a large heal from the SCH at this point, and no Aetherflow are avalible. Wipe.
The group took unplanned damage and an Indom was used. We now likely don't have Indom available for the next unavoidable raid-wide. Wipe.
The tank took unplanned damage and requires extra Lustrates. We are now unable to use the Indom needed for the upcoming mechanic. Wipe.
The tank took unplanned damage and requires extra Lustrates. We are now unable to use the Energy Drains we're counting on for MP, and run dry at a crucial section of the fight. This is somewhat less likely to cause a wipe, but does leave the SCH feeling miserable for the entire rest of the pull.

3 uses of a resource per minute just does not allow anything that requires that resource to reasonably be an emergency heal.

[simiii]

As a whm I'd like to say benediction isn't a emergency heal...

Benediction has a LONG delay that the mob or a dot tick can go off before they get the heal and on top of that it has long cd and most time I end up healing myself with it when I have full hp cuz the person I wanted to use it on died in mid animation.

[Xygoz]

Oh, I didn't read that part about keeping the healing effect. Still your reasoning is stupid.
Do you even play SCH? SCH are the kings of emergency heals. If you don't have an emergency heal that can be used reliably it's because you mismanaged and you should be punished. AST only has 1 emergency heal ONLY 1 every 40 seconds. SCH has 3 every 60 seconds and can even be AoE. Don't tell me you don't have them because I'm going to answer you, get good.

And if you have 0 emergency heals, there's a skill called dissipation that grants you 3 more stacks. That's the moment when you kill the fairy.

BTW half of your buffs are broken.

By emergency heal your mean lustrate? a 600 pot heal that both the other healers have that they can spam LAWL, sorry that was funny!

I do play scholar I have also cleared all the current content in the game atm, if you think being able to cast 3 cure 2's every 60 seconds Is great then you have not played any of the other classes.
As far as Dissipation you killing your fairy for 3 stacks sounds great on paper untill you realize it hurts you more then just not having stacks lol. you just killed a nice chunck of your healing for 3 more cure 2's ! Grats!!!