Scaling mechanics

[TankHunter678]

Having full access to skills and having a max level character in a level 16 dungeon are very different things.

Oh and how would you scale the skills then?

Would my Fuma, Raiton, Suiton, True North-Trick Attack Ten Chi Jin with Duality Aeolian Edge follow up only do as much damage as my normal 1 2 combo actually available at that level? Ignoring the fact I have a 20% built in damage boost from traits alone. As well as an attack speed boost so I hit far more often then I would at that level.

I would single handedly rip aggro off any fresh tank and shred the boss stupidly quick because none of the bosses at that level are balanced with me having that much firepower. While at the same time misleading anyone who wants to be a ninja because they would think I have all of that stuff at level 18. And then when I explain it to them they are going to be upset at the amount of grinding and MSQ they will need to do to catch up to actually do something. Either they will wind up leaving out of boredom, or they will open their wallets and boosting and then i will have to deal with them in dungeons where they do not know shit and we are wiping regularly.

Sorry but I would rather keep the current system. Which was made with new players in mind and keeping their content populated as they worked their way up to our content.

[SaitoHikari]

Excuse me? How does me having all of my abilities prevent them from learning their class? Why make it more boring to veterans than it has to be?

Your responses in this thread read as if you've never actually played a game that has done exactly what you are suggesting.

Which is to say, every game I know that has done this has resulted in essentially killing off the flow of new players to the game, dooming the game to a slow, irreversible decline.

Chances are the devs have already thought of this, and have more than enough foresight than to risk the very future of the game over mere convenience for veterans.

[Valinis]

Would my Fuma, Raiton, Suiton, True North-Trick Attack Ten Chi Jin with Duality Aeolian Edge follow up only do as much damage as my....

Why can't it? If not slightly more as part of being a veteran.

Threat is already an issue with the simple 1-2 rotation. Your extra kit makes no difference. Tanks need their 3rd attack at level 16.

Why would they care what you are doing if they are having so much fun pressing 2 buttons like you claim they would be?

People are boosting already without knowing mechanics or how to play their class.

[Valinis]

Your responses in this thread read as if you've never actually played a game that has done exactly what you are suggesting.

Which is to say, every game I know that has done this has resulted in essentially killing off the flow of new players to the game, dooming the game to a slow, irreversible decline.

Chances are the devs have already thought of this, and have more than enough foresight than to risk the very future of the game over mere convenience for veterans.

You mean like how GW2 did it? It had none of the problems you mention. That's just one example.

[SaitoHikari]

Why can't it? If not slightly more as part of being a veteran.

Threat is already an issue with the simple 1-2 rotation. Your extra kit makes no difference. Tanks need their 3rd attack at level 16.

Why would they care what you are doing if they are having so much fun pressing 2 buttons like you claim they would be?

People are boosting already without knowing mechanics or how to play their class.

I'm not sure you understand what everyone's trying to tell you.

In response to the bolded part especially: The solution isn't to ignore it/make it worse. You can't simply transplant an idea from a different game where it supposedly may have worked out, and expect the same results here. Community mentality in FFXIV is already incredibly different compared to other MMO communities, and that alone means there could be very unforeseen and entirely unintended circumstances as a result.

This is a big change to be making, and if it turns out it's a freaking disaster on a community level, the devs can't simply go 'oops' and get rid of it. There's already precedent on lesser things causing major balancing issues in earlier content - the tank changes resulting in tanks having lower emnity generation at early level dungeons, something the devs have already had to quickly address in last week's patch. And this was a problem largely regardless of experience, now you're pretty much telling us to ignore early level balance because the early level experience is now supposedly worthless and 'sucks to be you newbie, you should have started playing this game when the content was relevant'?

And all this for what? The enjoyment of veterans at endgame who really should have no business running earlier content if it were not for the tome system? Because THAT is the bigger problem. You can see this in mentor roulette too, with mentors dreading getting primal EX and outright telling players to unsync if they want a clear before leaving/trying to initiate a vote abandon ASAP.