Botters has RUINED PvP :(

[Enla]

Frankly the best SE has allowed us at this point is to simply report and move on, which as we all know is a janky sort of system that often takes months to even see any results. They really need more man power to expedite the process before we'll see any real change outside of outright removing the exp gained. Which, honestly, would be a shame in my opinion because it's that exp boost that drew me back to frontlines in the first place. If it ends up being that they remove it I'll still PVP, but right now it's a far more fun alternative to PoTD or brainless dungeons.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

There are definitely bots in frontlines. At least yesterday while I was playing I noticed quite a few people (probably about half or so of the alliance) doing some really janky movements. They would all stop facing the same direction, and would move all in unison a second or two later. I only noticed it once or twice in the match, so its not super apparent otherwise. That being said, the games I have played with Bots generally go better then the games I play with real people unfortunately.

I've seen this just yesterday, about 5 people in another alliance all standing still, in the same direction. Then they'd all move together and stop for another 5-6 seconds.

[NefarioCall]

Without PvP i would never clean the bathroom.
The toilet would eventually get so crusty no chemical on earth could eat through it.
I literally depend on PvP to be a functioning human being.
please don't take it from me.
Or else i will be chained to this couch grinding so long that eventually...

[Rufalus]

Outside removing any reward from losing and ban bots there is nothing they can do.

I've been asking for no rewards on a loss for years now...

If you remove rewards on loss then PvP dies when people get on losing streaks and stop queuing altogether to do more rewarding things with their time. There aren't enough people who frequent PvP for fun alone instead of using their time on content that enables them to progress in some way reliably. So you need rewards for the health of the game.

The banning bots thing is the ultimate solution to bots, and it's not only PvP they ruin but pretty much everything else too, including gathering / gil farming bots which can be used for RMT reasons.

[Elfidan]

If you remove rewards on loss then PvP dies when people get on losing streaks and stop queuing altogether to do more rewarding things with their time. There aren't enough people who frequent PvP for fun alone instead of using their time on content that enables them to progress in some way reliably. So you need rewards for the health of the game.

The banning bots thing is the ultimate solution to bots, and it's not only PvP they ruin but pretty much everything else too, including gathering / gil farming bots which can be used for RMT reasons.

Yeah you pretty much hit that nail on the head multiple times. lol~

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If you remove rewards on loss then PvP dies when people get on losing streaks and stop queuing altogether to do more rewarding things with their time. There aren't enough people who frequent PvP for fun alone instead of using their time on content that enables them to progress in some way reliably. So you need rewards for the health of the game.

This is quite untrue. PvP had a small but dedicated, ACTIVE playerbase well before 4.0. It gave no XP, and it wasn't as simplified as it is now (and arguably more fun still). 3.5 and the Garo event overshadowed the fact that they made the biggest change the community had asked for for 2 years - the removal of GC restrictions, which in fact did far more to improve queues than the event did. And it STILL didn't give XP.

Let's stop spreading the wrongful idea that removing XP would kill PvP. If anything it'd bring some integrity back into the mode.

P.S. I can't say it enough: After 3.5 and the Frontline Freelancer option, your choice of GC means about as much in PvP as it does in PvE content. The GC doesn't matter even half as much as the players on your team and the effort they'll put in to win.

[Rufalus]

This is quite untrue. PvP had a small but dedicated, ACTIVE playerbase well before 4.0. It gave no XP, and it wasn't as simplified as it is now (and arguably more fun still).
Let's stop spreading the wrongful idea that removing XP would kill PvP. If anything it'd bring some integrity back into the mode.

You quoted me, but I didn't say what you said I did. I wasn't talking about exp, I said rewards. If pvp had nothing: exp, wolf marks, tomes, none of that. You don't know what participation would be like, because it's never been that way in the history of pvp. There have always been rewards. My reply was to the person who said there should be no rewards period, and I think that would be a bad idea. If it's for fun alone with no reward, there wouldn't be enough players who stay.

[DamianFatale]

I just don't understand the point of exp half AFKing. Wouldn't it be better to enjoy the process of getting your exp? I hate to say it, but SE made a good thing, and people abused it. I honestly love it for when I have a tiny bit of leveling, but don't feel committed to doing a whole dungeon. Unfortunately, I think SE might have no choice but to nerf the exp, make it a punishable offense, or make the exp vary by placement. It's disheartening, because horizonal progression is what this game needs more of, and players are ruining it. It's even sadder that we beg for something, and then disrespect the developers when they graciously give it. If I were them, I'd be wary about who they listen to at this point.

[NefarioCall]

It's disheartening, because horizonal progression is what this game needs more of ...

Were this game Horiztonal i would be committed to putting in an effort,
because the grind would actually mean something.
As things stand, each new patch just introduces countless hours of grinding
for things that will be worthless next month.
I've got no time or interest in that.

[Ametrine]

It's a double edged sword. Players have become so vigilent to kicking anyone who appears AFK (good!) that these shitty players reduced themselves to botting.

I've very rarely seen either, but people are so unrelenting that it's more likely I've not noticed it first.