Bard utility

[WigandHellscream]

Hi. I was wondering if anyone have done the numbers on how much the bard can increase the overalt dps of the team. I am currently raiding as a samurai. But I realy enjoy the bard and want to find out how much the total raid dps might drop or increase if I switch Jobs when I get my bard to 70.

[xNewbx]

If you care about DPS, stick with SAM. But I too enjoy the Bard too much, so I play it anyways, even though I'm not contributing as much DPS wise, including my utility. I would personally level up Bard anyways and just play both classes. One for fun, and the other when you want to do the serious DPS.

[Rhyn]

Imo bard is gonna be the support dps of choice along with red mage for now. MCH is not great atm and dragoon has some problems.

[Temjiu]

Bard is king of support ATM. But according to most the DPS readings I see, they are bottom of the barrel for actual personal DPS (aside from the poor MCH, who is in desperate need of some love).

Bard is my Main, I love the current iteration of the bard. But I realize that I won't be playing it for damage. I'll be playing it because I love the class.

Long story short: don't play bard if your DPS numbers matter to you. If your raid team needs a Bard, it's worth it. If you enjoy the playstyle, it's worth it. If you count DPS numbers as your main priority, stick with SAM, it is currently top class for big juicy personal numbers.

[Kitfox]

Hi. I was wondering if anyone have done the numbers on how much the bard can increase the overalt dps of the team. I am currently raiding as a samurai. But I realy enjoy the bard and want to find out how much the total raid dps might drop or increase if I switch Jobs when I get my bard to 70.

Looking at one of my resent Susano Ex fights:
Foe Requiem ~18% uptime at 3% increase → 0.18 x 0.03 = 0.0054 = 0.54% increase
Battle Voice ~14% uptime at 15% direct hit bonus and DH has x1.25 multiplier → 0.14 x 0.15 x 0.25 = 0.00525 = 0.525% increase
Crit up from any song ~100% uptime 2% crit rate up with an estimated modest multiplier x1.50 (not sure what the actual value is at SB) → 1.0 x 0.02 x 0.50 = 0.01 = 1% increase

For that particular fight you could probably estimate total rDPS increase of roughly 2% from BRD utility though it's probably a bit higher due to buff stacking. Taking 2% of 20000 rDPS amounts to about 400 dps. Looking at FFlogs parsing at 90th percentile, adding 400 dps to BRDs personal contribution puts them at 3340 + 400 = 3740 while SAM holds the top spot with 3924.

Just rough napkin math to have an estimate.

[Temjiu]

Looking at one of my resent Susano Ex fights:
Foe Requiem ~18% uptime at 3% increase → 0.18 x 0.03 = 0.0054 = 0.54% increase
Battle Voice ~14% uptime at 15% direct hit bonus and DH has x1.25 multiplier → 0.14 x 0.15 x 0.25 = 0.00525 = 0.525% increase
Crit up from any song ~100% uptime 2% crit rate up with an estimated modest multiplier x1.50 (not sure what the actual value is at SB) → 1.0 x 0.02 x 0.50 = 0.01 = 1% increase

For that particular fight you could probably estimate total rDPS increase of roughly 2% from BRD utility though it's probably a bit higher due to buff stacking. Taking 2% of 20000 rDPS amounts to about 400 dps. Looking at FFlogs parsing at 90th percentile, adding 400 dps to BRDs personal contribution puts them at 3340 + 400 = 3740 while SAM holds the top spot with 3924.

Just rough napkin math to have an estimate.

Those are some nice numbers. Even as just Napmath, it shows that with our buffs, we are pretty much in stride with the rest of the DPS, a nice place to be. SAM tops this in raw DPS of course, but that's the intended designe behind SAM, so no suprise there. It seems that Bard is one of the best balanced classes in game atm (at least this is my own perspective, im sure others may disagree, but it looks like were in a nice spot).

And I say best balanced as our toolkit is nice, feels good, and works smoothly as far as I can play it. Certainly a busy toolkit, but that's one of the things I enjoy about the bard. Thank you for removing the cast bars SE! great job with my favorite class!

the only thing i have issue with atm is the new sounds for our "Bites". It may just be me, but they sound really....well...squishy. stormbite used to have a nice solid thunk to it, and now it's very "floof". Caustic is a bit better, even with the wet squishy sound, but I'd be OK with just having back the old sound effects. When I first got them (upgrade in an instance run), I had the darndest time realizing that I had applied them, and ended up re-applying a few times. blech. But this is really just a personal preference...I guess I was relying on the sounds more then I realized during my rotations.

And I would love to see Sidewinder on a slightly smaller CD. It just feels a bit too long right now. perhaps 45s instead of 60?

[Elnidfse]

Just rough napkin math to have an estimate.

Pretty relatively spot on.

[Lavena]

Ich play my bard just for dps

[WigandHellscream]

Thank you so much, something like this is exactly what I was looking for