The "Hand-out" sacks from Potd.

[BigTough]

Please take the Ravana, Mog, and Bismarck weapons out of Potd. Why are weapons 3-5 million to craft while they're 200k on the MB? I'm all for making certain things easier to obtain but this was just ridiculous... At least give out the mats for the weapons instead of the whole weapon itself and lower the drop rate. Trust me, it feels better to have gathered your own mats to craft something yourself or to have someone craft it for out is even great, at least you went on a journey for mats to get what you wanted and you can feel accomplished for it because of the struggle. Potd just hands these thing's out like Halloween candy and they end up worthless, literally WORTHLESS. Not even any good for glamour. Who's gonna care that you have a Ravana Weapon? Or a Bismark weapon? Or a Mog Weapon? They're lunch money on the MB and they're handed out for free at Potd...

[Krotoan]

.... I care about my sparkly mogfork. Cause I like it. I didn't want to have it because other people DONT have it.
I ask you: why is making them more available bad? Does this make yours look different?

I understand they're a little less special if they're common, but some people just don't have the 5 mil to spend on a weapon and have bad luck with drops.

[Lildragora]

.... I care about my sparkly mogfork. Cause I like it. I didn't want to have it because other people DONT have it.
I ask you: why is making them more available bad? Does this make yours look different?

I understand they're a little less special if they're common, but some people just don't have the 5 mil to spend on a weapon and have bad luck with drops.

I think the point he is trying to make is that, the items have a heavy investment to make but can be easily obtained by other means and providing materials to produce rather than obtain a fully crafted item is a better choice; crafters can still provide a service without substantial loss and still give a way for the community players to obtain said item either through commission work from a crafter or buying on the MB for cheaper than before PotD.

Making them more available than the materials needed to make is a problem, which it should be the other way around. At least for some recipes.

[Clethoria]

Please take the Ravana, Mog, and Bismarck weapons out of Potd.

Nooope. I'm happy whipping out my sparkly mog fists for pvp and I'm happier that they're so readily available. And I have a sneaking suspicion you're in the minority of disliking it. Welcome to be proven wrong, but the forums are already a very vocal minority.

[Krotoan]

I think the point he is trying to make....

I'd say it sounds more like:
a. "I can't sell crafted weapons or the mats for these weapons at a ridiculous price anymore"
or
b. "a lot of other people have this weapon, so now it doesn't feel special and I don't want that"


perhaps I'm being too cynical?


My EX Ravana gun is still as cool as it ever was. I put in lots of barely finished and FC organized runs to get it. Am i sour now that people can go in and run it unsynched to get the same gun for almost no effort or get handed it just out of some RNG bag? Naw.

[MuseTraveller]

Wait, we can obtain those in PotD? Time for me to farm that!
I'm fairly sure people made enough gil crafting them back when those were craftable only.
There is no need to make it more difficult now nearly two expansions later for those who can't fish out the millions out of their pockets on a whim.

[Lildragora]

I'd say it sounds more like:
a. "I can't sell crafted weapons or the mats for these weapons at a ridiculous price anymore"
or
b. "a lot of other people have this weapon, so now it doesn't feel special and I don't want that"


perhaps I'm being too cynical?


My EX Ravana gun is still as cool as it ever was. I put in lots of barely finished and FC organized runs to get it. Am i sour now that people can go in and run it unsynched to get the same gun for almost no effort or get handed it just out of some RNG bag? Naw.

I was going of the reasoning he gave instead of possible tone. You could be right for point a or b, however I still feel the better way to handle would be choice material drops instead of giving out items crafters have to spend a lot of gil on to make. Either way it doesn't affect me, I happily got the 3 mog weps I wanted from PotD. I still feel the same way on the matter though.

[Krotoan]

I was going of the reasoning he gave instead of possible tone. You could be right for point a or b, however I still feel the better way to handle would be choice material drops instead of giving out items crafters have to spend a lot of gil on to make. Either way it doesn't affect me, I happily got the 3 mog weps I wanted from PotD. I still feel the same way on the matter though.

The demand will fall, the mats will get cheaper and the crafters will still make a profit. Or .. the price will fall beyond crystal/cluster costs and crafters will move on to another source of profit. I'm not seeing a downside for anyone but the people who depended solely on huge windfalls from farming/crafting those particular weapons.
I'll always stand by making things more available to all players instead of weighing it in the favor of "hardcore" or "elite" people.

[Lildragora]

The demand will fall, the mats will get cheaper and the crafters will still make a profit. Or .. the price will fall beyond crystal/cluster costs and crafters will move on to another source of profit. I'm not seeing a downside for anyone but the people who depended solely on huge windfalls from farming/crafting those particular weapons.
I'll always stand by making things more available to all players instead of weighing it in the favor of "hardcore" or "elite" people.

Soooooo making the materials easier to obtain doesn't achieve the same thing while still giving meaning to the crafting recipes? This has nothing to do with hardcore or elite players. Whatever floats your boat though.

[BigTough]

Yes, as Lidragora said - My Primary concern is the unbalance it's caused for crafters, the market/economy, and the availability of the weapons. It makes no sense to just give these weapons away, other than to simply make it easy for a certain playerbase to obtain. I mean, if someone's mentality is that they can't focus their attention enough to level a crafter or even to go out and gather mats via a simpler method than farming ex-primals, because apparently, that's too hard as well. They're also not going to care for a sparkly weapon that everyone else and their pet already has, so why give it to them? How am I or anyone else supposed to make a profit from this? And I'm not going to let it go and craft other things, I do that already, I want this to make sense!

If crafters were being commissioned by non-crafters because they got mats instead of weapons, it would make sense. They could have it crafted, or they could buy it from the marketboard. I also mentioned lowering the drop rate in potd, I also think they should nerf the XP gained in Potd or start a leveling mode where certain drops are extremely rare or they can make the weapons dropped in potd untradable. OR they can make a few new extravagant furnishings made by Bismarks Baleen or Ravanas Forewing and we'll new purpose with those items. I'm really bothered by the loot system in potd though and making requests always seems so pointless because they always seem to be "working barely within the server capacity" as it is.