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  1. #41
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    Adire's Avatar
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    Erin Grey
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    Mateus
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    Monk Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Arutan View Post
    Honestly I see no difference between queue before and after cracked clusters.
    I do. I'm finally getting 10-20 minute queues and getting to level samurai in a non mind-numbing way while my fellow tanks and healers get their sweet, sweet materia. Win win!

    It's probably only temporary though, once materia becomes as common as dirt queues will probably slide back to normal, but maybe by then things will have balanced out more or SE figured out a way to reward tanks and healers more.
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  2. #42
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    Ekhi Ysengrim
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    With like cattle prods and whips and junk?
    That might just work. You saw the player bases reaction to Yotsuyu.
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  3. #43
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
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    Perhaps we could get some really cool mounts for queueing for each roulette a certain number of times as an Adventurer in Need? Say maybe a mount per roulette? And it'd need to be a high number though, say something like 50k, to make sure the queues stay rewarding for a long time? I'm just trying to brainstorm here.

    Though, I think the best thing SE could do is make tanking and healing more fun and engaging. I mean now that I have finally found a DPS I enjoy (RDM), I'll probably be using that more since I can enjoy myself. They completely gutted the tank/healer playstyle after all, and I think if SE made tanking/healing more demanding mechanically than DPS, then maybe we could get a community shift away from blaming the tank/healer for everything. But maybe that's just some pipe dream.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  4. #44
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    Arutan's Avatar
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    Drae Wellenbrecher
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    Ragnarok
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    I do. I'm finally getting 10-20 minute queues and getting to level samurai in a non mind-numbing way while my fellow tanks and healers get their sweet, sweet materia. Win win!

    It's probably only temporary though, once materia becomes as common as dirt queues will probably slide back to normal, but maybe by then things will have balanced out more or SE figured out a way to reward tanks and healers more.
    Welp, that's still kinda disgusting how everything is offered to tank (and heal) just because they're a minority. With cracked cluster they can either gear themselve more easily or make tons of money. All of this because SE wasn't clever enough to prevent the obvious by adding new tank and heal instead of full DPS.
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  5. #45
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    Tae Sylphanas
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    Ultros
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Clusters and roulette rewards aren't specifically made for tanks and healers only. They go to roles that are needed to keep the queues moving. In the end it's the player community that are leaving those needed roles to tanks and healers.

    This comment has nothing to say regarding tank mounts. That's something entirely separate from the new roulette bonus.

    I say if it helps queues move then let it help queues move. Want the rewards? Queue as the in need role.
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  6. #46
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    RyuujinZERO's Avatar
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    K'hali Thalen
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    Goblin
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    Scholar Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    They could make a tank that was the mostest funnest thing on the planet to play, but there is a sizable DPS crowd that would simply never touch it because they would rather DPS.

    You can lead a horse to the water but you cannot make him drink.
    It's true, when DRK came out there WAS a temporary surge in tanks, because everyone wanted to swing around a greatsword and be a badass; but at no point did tanks stop being the primary bottleneck in the duty finder because at the end of the day, they were still tanks, and even people who really wanted to be a greatsword wielding anime edgelord found it hard to stomach the tank playstyle and responsibilities, and many of those eventually filtered back into DPS roles, especially now SAM is the new sword swinging hotness

    Conversely, if DRK didn't exist, I'd be playing some other tank role; aggro is mine
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    Last edited by RyuujinZERO; 07-08-2017 at 01:11 PM.

  7. #47
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    Arutan's Avatar
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    Drae Wellenbrecher
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    Quote Originally Posted by aesteval View Post
    I say if it helps queues move then let it help queues move. Want the rewards? Queue as the in need role.
    Fine, come lvl up my role and I'll tag with.
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  8. #48
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Shiva
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Arutan View Post
    Welp, that's still kinda disgusting how everything is offered to tank (and heal) just because they're a minority. With cracked cluster they can either gear themselve more easily or make tons of money. All of this because SE wasn't clever enough to prevent the obvious by adding new tank and heal instead of full DPS.
    It wouldn't matter. Tanks and healers/supports were always the minority in every mmo that boots the role trinity and a dungeon matchmaker.
    Heavensward was the same, even with each role getting a new addition - After the initial hype was gone, it was all back to tank and healers being the 'Adventurer in Need' on roulettes.
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  9. #49
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    Drae Wellenbrecher
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    Ragnarok
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    Heavensward was the same, even with each role getting a new addition - After the initial hype was gone, it was all back to tank and healers being the 'Adventurer in Need' on roulettes.
    At least we didn't have roulette trouble at the release and even after the hype was gone, roulette timers were still correct, like 5min or less at the weekly reset for expert, while it's still 15min+ right now.
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  10. #50
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    Yui Oshima
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    Mateus
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    Blacksmith Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Camiie View Post
    It's called supply and demand. DPS, and I've been one for 99.99% of my MMO playtime, are extremely common. We're the burger flippers and grocery baggers of the MMO world. We're easily replaceable, therefore our relative value is low. The demand is easily met because the supply is so high. You're already getting your reward... a spot and minimum wage. You want more than that? You take on a role that is needed, but few are willing or able to perform. It's actually a pretty good life lesson.
    Well maybe if DPS didn't bully and harass healers and tanks regularly, we wouldn't be having this shortage? It's a shortage they themselves cause, and I have no sympathy for them.
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