Stop rewarding tanks/healers! We all put in the same effort.

[Synrin]

I don't agree.

[Sagittarii]

I've played all 3 roles (DPS/Healer/Tank). I can see why DPS is the most popular. You basically just need to look out for yourself and use your toolkit to do as much damage as possible. You usually don't need to manage other party member's HP bars or remove their status ailments. You don't need to keep enemies off them. You usually don't need to worry about raising someone if they get KO'd either. You basically get off easy. That's why I often prefer to play as DPS.

In this game, the tank and healer are effectively the supervisors of the group. Just like in real life, a lot of people want the perks of being a supervisor, but without the supervisor's responsibilities.

[Fynlar]

On the other hand, and I noticed that lately, I end up with a lot of "bad" tanks/healers that just went into the dungeon because of the cluster, making it a absolute nightmare, and they will even say that they are not going to play that job, just want the bonus.

Not sure how that's even supposed to work. They aren't going to get their cluster if the party can't even complete the duty.

[Nixxe]

I don't understand the implication that speed pulls keep someone from using their full toolkit. I'm using heals, regens, aoes, off gcds in mine. Isn't that our whole kit? xD

Yeah, exactly. If the tank pulls one pack at a time, I'm likely only using Regen and maybe the occasional Tetra while I DPS. It's not until they pull until they hit a wall where the damage really begins to become such an issue that I actually need to try and start breaking out the entire array of abilities.

[SaitoHikari]

I've played all 3 roles (DPS/Healer/Tank). I can see why DPS is the most popular. You basically just need to look out for yourself and use your toolkit to do as much damage as possible. You usually don't need to manage other party member's HP bars or remove their status ailments. You don't need to keep enemies off them. You usually don't need to worry about raising someone if they get KO'd either. You basically get off easy. That's why I often prefer to play as DPS.

In this game, the tank and healer are effectively the supervisors of the group. Just like in real life, a lot of people want the perks of being a supervisor, but without the supervisor's responsibilities.

I agree with you in most cases.

But when you start getting into Bard optimization, you start supervising the group as well, in your own little way, while still pushing as much damage as possible. Bard support is no joke.

[Brannigan]

I don't understand why the damage buff was moved to Storm's Eye off of Maim

To stop you from just doing Storm's Path when grouped with a Samurai or Ninja, who now always use their slashing debuffs.

As for the other two, this is just speculation: Storm's Path potency is probably just something they didn't actively think to increase. The gauge generation off of defensive abilities being lost was probably for two reasons: to stop bad warriors from killing themselves when they use all of their defensive cooldowns on the pull and don't have any later, and to try to get warrior out of being so firmly placed as "off tank king" because their defensive stuff is always on cooldown. Warrior actually has an outstanding defensive toolkit (which got stronger with Rampart), but it was rare to see it actually shine before.

Anyway, @OP, most people I group with in dungeons definitely don't put in as much effort as me, and two thirds of them are DPS.

[ZemusM]

Respectfully disagree. It is your job as a tank to pull as fluently and speedily as the group allows.
If DPS are crap -> slow down
If the healer can't cope or your gear is underlevel -> slow down
Else -> pull as fast and as hard as mana allows.

I HATE tanks that pulls small packs of trivial mobs and stutter step their way through the dungeon. Esp the stutter stepping, where you always ask "is he pulling now or isn't he?!"

Sorry but no, this attitude is why online games are so toxic. If a Tank is NOT comfortable pulling a mass set of mobs then that is the way it is, YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL and you deserve nothing more than to clear the content no matter how long it takes. If the tank is learning the dungeon and you think thats too slow? too bad, you are not anymore important than them and they can go at their pace until they know and understand said dungeon

[TensaiSogetsu]

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As someone who plays all classes, no, no you don't.

[Granyala]

I've played all 3 roles (DPS/Healer/Tank). I can see why DPS is the most popular. You basically just need to look out for yourself and use your toolkit to do as much damage as possible. You usually don't need to manage other party member's HP bars or remove their status ailments. You don't need to keep enemies off them. You usually don't need to worry about raising someone if they get KO'd either. You basically get off easy. That's why I often prefer to play as DPS.

You can play that way, yes, but you won't be very good.
Being Elite DPS is HARD. Not only do you need a really low error count on activating the right spell at the right time, you also need to make a lot of decisions on when to dodge where to minimize movement, when to use personal CDs to soak damage and you need to plan ahead in your DPS CD usage.

Very few people do it, as most content is not designed with that kind of requirements.
But just for the record: the playstyle is there and it can be VERY stressful.
Far more so than running into the mobs, mashing a few AoE buttons to grab threat and after that halfassing around b/c a few unleashes generate so much threat that the mobs die before anyone grabs them from you. Same in the healer camp. I can go in and only heal, being semi AFK 75% of the time b/c no heal is needed.

Ofc elite tanks will tank AND play the DPS game as good as possible, same as elite healers. Both can dish out respectable numbers too.

Bottom line of this rambling: all three roles are actually very hard if you want to play at a high level.

[Aramina]

Bottom line of this rambling: all three roles are actually very hard if you want to play at a high level.

This is true, but... when people say tank/heal is harder/more stressful I do not think they are meaning "at a high level". I think (or hope at least) that we can all agree that playing at a high level, regardless of role, is stressful. The difference that people (I think) are referring to is internal vs. external stressors. If mobs are running willy nilly, the blame will (generally) fall straight on the tank. If people are dying, the blame will (generally) fall straight on the healer. If DPS is low you can say "damage is low" but without a parser you can't say which (or both) is low so it is not personal, you can just assume it's that OTHER guy that is bad.

Does that make sense?