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    Elnidfse's Avatar
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    Rigel Regulus
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    Tonberry
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    Machinist Lv 70

    MCH AoE level 69 and below

    With the increase incentives for contributing to leveling roulettes in the form of cracked clusters. I was beside myself in joy when I saw this Adventurer in Need (DPS).

    It took me all of 2 minutes into the dungeon when I remembered why I divorced myself from 50/60 and leveling roulette.

    Machinist pre 70 AoE is rubbish. Quite awful. There is no good to be found here. This is the dark ages of MCH AoE. A WHM sneezed in my general direction and passed me on DPS
    Let's dive right in:
    1. The potency of spread shot was nerfed (potency decrease from 100 to 80)
    2. Our Bishop Turret was nerfed ("Flare" damage fall off while keeping it's 3.5s recast)
    3. Hypercharge was nerfed (A full 30 potency off of an already nerfed Bishop Turret)
    4. We have no Damage over Time for multi dotting
    5. You will NOT have Flamethrower
    6. You PROBABLY don't have Ricochet
    7. You may or may not have Hypercharge
    8. We completely lost Grenado Shot
    A recommendation list? Do I have to do one of those? I guess I'll try
    1. Roll that damage out of flamethrower and back into our already existing kit
      It feels like our kit was weakened in general to accommodate flamethrower.
      I don't want to make that sacrifice when FT itself is also married into being a heat management tool! I don't do polygamy Yoshi-p!
    2. Rebuff hypercharge
      That nerf was too much! Why does Bishop Turret have to be nerfed twice for one crime! This violates my fifth amendment rights!
    3. Do something about our TP management
      We can't restore TP using quick reload, and we can't use promote between every pull. Make ammo let Spreadshot not use TP please. I'm dying of thirst in the desert sands of "not enough"

    I want the fun placed back in my AoE. Or give me an AoE that actually isn't terrible. At the risk of angering lots of anti-gun activists. Put fun back into gun!
    With our current pre 70 AoE (a topic for another time) the only thing we're whittling down is our sanity
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    Last edited by Elnidfse; 07-08-2017 at 09:19 AM.

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    Sylvana Tenebri
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    Malboro
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    Marauder Lv 79
    MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN THE ABOVE QUESTIONS!

    Level 89, but you're complaining about something from two expacs ago? Bruh. Git with the times, MCH is top 1337 deeeeeps!!!!

    Joking ribs aside, I... kinda avoid doing low level dungeons due to lack of FLAMETHROWER.
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    And oh god the typo! It says 89!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elnidfse View Post
    It says 89!
    Is this the point where I say 'Use your post 80 tools already and #gitgud' while wearing hipster glasses? :3
    /tease
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    Machinist Lv 70
    I hope my post 80 tools include a time machine so I can undo my mistakes before they happen
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    At least your raid spot is safe.

    Red Mages, Blue Mages, Yellow Mages, Purple Mages, Grey Mages...

    What's a Black mage gotta do to get away from all these technicolored FREAKS.
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    Bravo Whiskey
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    Ravana
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    You're using Flamethrower to do AOE damage?.......
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Pence View Post
    You're using Flamethrower to do AOE damage?.......
    Well given just how high that damage is in two pack pulls AND the fact that you can snapshot it at 1 second left in an overheat and ride it out until GB on... Yes?
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    Myon Miya
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    Viper Lv 100
    Yeah, I noticed this big hole in the revamped MCH toolkit when the new skills were shown, and I'm sorry to say that after trying it for myself it was just as bad as I expected. And frankly this worries me more than raw number tuning - because potencies can be rebalanced easily for endgame raiding, but to fix this weakness requires another big revamp that won't likely happen till 5.0.

    You kind of have to ask yourself, if I pick MCH, "Do I really want to be miserable in roulettes for the rest of the expansion?", and I'm not feeling very optimistic.

    It's not just about dungeons too, just to go on a tangent for a bit. Buffing our numbers is one thing, but not having tools like Lead Shot is a serious structural weakness in the job's design. It means you auto lose to bards in any fight (savage raiding included of course) with targets to multidot; I don't see them making machinists significantly better at single targeting to compensate, so all this means is that you're worse at something for absolutely no payoff.
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    Last edited by Myon88; 07-08-2017 at 09:19 AM.

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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    #RemoveSyncAbilities
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