How many people have multiple houses?

[cuatx]

I am sorry people are without housing. I was on a few servers that didnt have housing, which is why I went to a small server with LOTS of open houses because housing was important to me, I paid for my transfer not a free one. Those people did nothing wrong, I can see why they are upset. I have had someone already approach my character wanting to buy her plot and got mad when I said no, they didn't even know I had others.

SE should have more housing, it should have wards added as needed maybe with every large content patch. If it went to one private and one fc per server that would be great also. Do not condemn people who were on a server long before you, and get butthurt over them having something you do not.

[cuatx]

It was no secret Mateus had housing, this forum is where I learned of it and looked myself. Before the FREE transfers and Mateus being a prefered realm, it had lots of houses. What stopped you from transferring? The gil cap? The $18? Well guess what, I paid my $18 and did what a lot of people did before and bought high priced things to take with me and sell. I made enough to be able to get my favorite plots in the game and two special house skins. All are fully decorated and loved.

[Venjamin]

Useless definitions

Cute! But see, the problem with these is that they also apply to ANYONE with a single personal house or fc house. Not just people with more than 1/2. That's the trick with anything that has limited supply - anyone with any number of it automatically shuts out a huge swath of people. Especially in this context, when 'need' is ill-defined, since we're talking about a virtual product in limited supply that no one 'needs.' If all you have is a personal house that serves only you? Selfish! Greedy!

If you qualify 'need' in any other way, then these two people 'need' 28 houses to get their desired effect, and voila, your argument defeats itself.

Flawed numbers

Let's touch on why this is pointless: Again, contextually, all of this is irrelevant. There is 0 way to guarantee someone gets a house. So again, minimally, were they to give up ALL the 'excess' housing ( at MAJOR COST to themselves, mind you ) odds are really good that a single player will get it for personal housing. There's a really good chance that the minimum number of players ( 24-26, depending on how you qualify excess ) will get a house thanks to this 'effort.'

Further, your 'assumption' is just that. An assumption, with no basis in grounded reality, just a vague hope. The reason I say that this is not a player-side fix, is that those numbers you just pulled are great! But ultimately just a fraction of the player base, and until SE fixes housing as a whole, the only things that you will get, at best, is a minor boost to players with houses and nothing else.

Appeal to emotion

The argument doesn't ignore that we had an expac drop. People just starting the game can't afford a house anyway, so all the other people would have gotten one before them. The ACTUAL new players aren't even allowed to have a house for a good chunk of time unless they buy a jump pot and story clears, at which point they still won't have enough money to get one. No, this is specifically concerning all the players that transferred when the promise of free shiny stuff was offered, but refused to do so prior because it would have cost them something. They decided housing wasn't important to them until AFTER the rush. If this argument had popped up prior to the transfers, I could maybe have a little empathy, but since there were tons of open space available until then, I'm not buying it as any more than entitlement from a group of people that were effectively paid to transfer.

Your second statement here is just pointless.

Cuatx hit the nail on the head.

[Acilith]

I think the way to make sure everyone has a house is the make it instanced, make it an up-gradable gil sink (so maybe you start small, then you can upgrade to medium, then to large), and make it something part of the MSQ that everyone unlocks at a certain level. I wouldn't really miss the wards and I don't think anyone else really would either. If you consider that each FC house is CAPABLE of having the same amount of 'rooms' as one ward's apartment? Well, think of all those instances. Why not just give every single character their own place, like an FFXI moghouse.. but bigger and better.

It would require a lot of work but I think it's the best solution.

[Aldotsk]

For Balmung with people who want all 8 characters plus 8 housing (based on the previous 4.0 consensus chart, 19000 active account/players) , we probably would have needed at least 300,000 plots assuming wards had all small plots only excluding apartments. (You can get apartment and housing together which is kind of funny). Right now, there are only about 2300 plots every world and assuming that there might be plenty of people who want Shirogane will end up grabbing ward zone they never wanted. Perhaps Square Enix should refund everyone and redo the system to instance so people -can- get the housing they want in the zone they want to stay in. Make FC ward too so members can purchase plots in FC ward or something. Work it out. Even large and medium are more limited than smalls and apartments.

[Rosekitten]

I 100% would have liked to have seen a upgrade system. Buy the plot for a set price and have the option to upgrade or expand the building over time an gil. Also I would like to put my five cents in that I don't agree with the rp'ers or people saying rp'ers need multiple houses. I'm a rp'er I came from Balmung with 0 hope of getting a house. Shoot even moving to a under populated server my husband and I had to wait till a house finally popped up. It's a small house but least I can work on the crops to help my guild mates out with coloring their chocobos and leveling them. I've been rotating my FC members in and out of who can use the stables at the small house in order to help them. I'd say apartment are a thing but they are all taken on this server too. Not that I'm surprised as I'm on the server with the 2 people owning 28 some odd houses...

I use to be on the side that yes they earned it and it was fair but.. the ward is pretty empty to really say it's being put to use. They don't seem to like people visiting. And while I get it is their memories as they so kindly put it in a interview I read about them ... If you are playing a mmo you have to expect to see other people.. You can't just buy a whole ward of houses and think oh you'll never see anyone or no one will complain about what you did. Against the rules or not. While no it is not their fault for how SE has the system set up.. it is their fault for the attitude they presented and painted themselves out for the rest to see.

I would like to bring up even if the one house limit was in place most would still be unable to get a house.. it would be the same issue just a handful more would be able to own a house. At this point it's a giant mess of a system that may be easier to fix if they refunded everyone and just rebooted it all over. I'd rather a fair system where everyone can enjoy it instead of the current system where all I can do is sit and wait for the new housing area to release and home I'm one of the first people online to get my FC a med or large house before they are all gone.

[Aldotsk]

At this point, if YOSHIP makes a MOG station "purchase able ward instance" for you, alts and your friends or FC, I'd probably just do it in a heart beat. Because I feel like this guy won't know how to fix this broken housing system after 3 years since launch of it. He has been having difficulty to explain why he did this and he can't seem to fix it.

Like for real, just release a private ward service. Like I won't care if it's $50 or $100. If there is also no expiration date. Like if it will help with housing getting more wards and everyone can win a housing... why not.

(The following above is a joke but I intend to ask that in live letter)

[Dustytome]

I'd say apartment are a thing but they are all taken on this server too.

Are you sure you checked all the apartment buildings? Each ward and each subdivision have their own 90 apartments (so ward 2 is 90 more and ward 2 subdivision is yet another 90, ward 3 yet another 90 and so on).

[TheFanciestBard]

Can't really deny or sugarcoat that those two players are ultimately rather selfish and entitled, the soapbox stance of theirs was really eye-rolling, I mean fair play to them, the plots had been empty for years but even so its still selfish in the grand scheme of things as really we all shouldn't really be owning so many homes but such is the current system, but at the same time SEs still at fault for allowing such an easily abused system in the first place. If they just admitted they screwed up when they made housing and and started plans to actually fix it, we wouldn't have any problems at all.

This attitude and mentality is exactly why these people got to buy an entire ward and you and everyone else like you did not. These people worked for around 150mil plus whatever they needed for their endgame. What is the problem, exactly? That the rich can buy nice things? Sure, I figure there is something a bit lopsided about those that can put in 30-40 more hours a week than others, but shouldn't they be rewarded for that? If you put in that time you would want to be rewarded too. Do you just want everyone to get a house with their account? Like, sure... They could do that, we could have a little instanced island with a medium that everyone can decorate across their account. Ah, but where would you get the furniture? Should we have just have vendors that sell every housing item for 1gil? Basically removes 80% of carpenter. This also raises the question of what incentives do you have to even play after that? Is a private instanced house even something people want? Isn't half the fun seeing your house among the others and knowing, "I did that" ?

People on the server clearly had no intention of buying the plots if they were available for literal months with no intervention. Like... It really is not that hard to make 5mil for a small. In fact, they were probably only 1-2 mil cause plot prices depreciate the longer they are open. To a limit, I'm sure, but idk what it is cause I'm from Balmung and plots don't last longer than 10 minutes. So that's further proof that the demand was not there... Until they weren't on the market anymore. Face it, people want what they can't have and it wouldn't surprise me if people only got upset cause they don't get to have 28 houses, rather than not having a house at all.

There is no system outside of instanced housing that solves the issue and frankly.. I don't want that, many others don't as well. Making housing cheaper just means there's MORE competition and thus fewer people getting houses. Making them more expensive means that only the rich get houses which further compounds the issues. More wards just opens up alts of rich people to get houses. They make gil as fair as everyone else, limiting the amount of houses per account means people are less incentivized to actually make money. If people aren't crafting, gathering, buying things, selling things, the economy stagnates. When that happens we'll be in a big problem as then new players will basically be unable to use the MB in any real capacity. Enjoy buying crafted gear for glamour? Better start getting mats and crafting it yourself since no one else is crafting stuff cause it's a pointless time sink!

So while you may claim it's selfish this is the result of capitalism. These two people clearly know how to make money and are very self sufficient so I would not be surprised if they are the sole reason the economy on Mateus starts churning. I've heard rumor Mateus is in a really bad place economically and it takes people like this to turn it around. The system as is is ultimately good for the game. Not for the random joe schmoe that wants a little house cause it looks nice, but there's a lot more at play than poor little Timmy that only plays 5 hours a week and just wants nothing more than a big 'ol passia house.

[Acilith]

Hey now don't hate on my paissa house.