Is anyone else dying to get to Garlemald?

[Kallera]

Well, after all this, i'm not moving from my original point, I would like to enter Garlemeld, but not as some conqueror. The semantics are just depressing and just make me not want to play.

[LalafellDown]

I know SE will never allow this, but I hope somewhere in a expansion far far away we can join the empire and help the empire take over the world. Why didn't you let me join you Zenos? I would of turned on all of my so called friends who only need me when there is a primal to kill.
T^T

[Alleo]

I know SE will never allow this, but I hope somewhere in a expansion far far away we can join the empire and help the empire take over the world. Why didn't you let me join you Zenos? I would of turned on all of my so called friends who only need me when there is a primal to kill.
T^T

Each to his own but at least I would like to stay on Eorzeas side where not everything is perfect and it is a bit annoying that they throw you at every bad thing (which is called out by Nero) instead of going to a empire where depending on the legatus you will be slain by having a different opinion, by failing to do your mission or by just being an echo user. And since they want to get rid of every beast man and primal you will be thrown at the beast races, kill every single one of them and if a primal appears you will be thrown at this too. Also depending under which legatus you are, being a non Garlean will also mean being treated like a savage.

(Dont believe the dark side they dont have cookies and the cake is a lie!!)

Oh and a bit more serious: I dont believe that we go into Garlemald as a conquerer because even as a WoL we should not be able to take down such an empire and Eorzea does not have the men power to do so too. So either we get there as a prisoner or something like that and might help out the people in there (or not).

[Kallera]

I know SE will never allow this, but I hope somewhere in a expansion far far away we can join the empire and help the empire take over the world. Why didn't you let me join you Zenos? I would of turned on all of my so called friends who only need me when there is a primal to kill.
T^T

Oh, that'd feel great.^^

They'd probably feel obligated to make some pressing commentary about the injustices and politics.

but it'd feel great.

[NoblePigeon]

There's some people in this thread who have, in the past, called Ala Mhigans filthy, disease-ridden barbarians whose refugees regularly commit terrorist acts, oh and also Eorzea hates them, because don't forget that war that happened a century ago that no one in Eorzea holds against them anymore! All on the basis of Illberd. That's it.

These people then say that nuance, complex socio-economic factors and moral greyness should all be kept in mind when regarding the Empire. And that we've only seen some bad apples in the Empire but keep in mind, not all Imperials are bad! They're a society with people of varying mindets and goals. But Ala Mhigans? "Basically desert savages, most of them. There's a few good ones, that's about it though."

Am I missing something? It's okay to brush Ala Mhigans with a broad paintbrush but suddenly you want us to have more nuance when it comes to Garleans? (By the way, saying that "I know there's good Ala Mhigan refugees but most/many are basically terrorists" doesn't cut it.) I also don't get why people who like the Empire dislike Ala Mhigo because of their past with wars and militaristic culture...because the Empire endorses that stuff too, dramatically more.

[Kallera]

I don't remember saying all of the Ala Mighans were like the resistance, only that the resistance was resorting to horrid means and that Eorzea would be responsible for Shinryu's carnage(which was sadly handwaved for the most part.) It was also discussed in the MSQ that the resistances actions did play a role in how people in Eorzea viewed supporting getting back Ala Mihgo.

And regarding the Imperials, I would see it as a mark of lazy storytelling if the whole of the empire was simply ineffectual soldiers and racism. It simply would not function, and would be going against its own established lore, in that there are places where people's lives went unchanged or improved under the imperial banner.

Fianlly, from an ooc standpoint, not everyone wants to play on the infallible side of magic crystal do gooders that hinge on 4-8 people with special powers to deliver them. It doesn't take much to realize that that shouldn't be sustainable in the long term either yet it is made so because we have no choice but to play on that side.

There's no real need to shame those here that are rooting for the empire, or not wanting to see an example of "freedom at the barrel of a gun". OOC: we are all as players, forced on the same side. and IC: you might to live with them not dying and maybe end up forced on the same side anyway.

[Cilia]

Hey now! While I understand the frustration with the hypocrisy, using ad hominem attacks isn't OK no matter whose side of the debate you're on.

Other than that I... kind of have to agree. It's pretty silly and very hypocritical to extol the virtue of the brutal, totalitarian Empire while condemning desperate refugees said Empire displaced. It is more complex than that - there are good and bad individuals on both sides - but overall the Ala Mhigans have been more civil with us than the Garleans (as of 4.0).

[NoblePigeon]

Hey now! While I understand the frustration with the hypocrisy, using ad hominem attacks isn't OK no matter whose side of the debate you're on.

I know, it's just pure frustration, little more. I didn't really want to call out specific names or such, it's just really aggravating to hear sometimes.

There's no real need to shame those here that are rooting for the empire, or not wanting to see an example of "freedom at the barrel of a gun". OOC: we are all as players, forced on the same side. and IC: you might to live with them not dying and maybe end up forced on the same side anyway.

My intention wasn't to shame people who root for the Empire, sorry if it came off that way. I just don't appreciate the hypocrisy of telling people to be mindful of how much variation the Empire has among its people, and then turn around and broadly call Ala Mhigans or their refugees "filthy terrorists" and dislike them on their militaristic culture, when that same type of culture is prevalent in the Empire as well.

My best hops is that Eorzea and Garlemald end up teaming up at some point, with the latter having a leadership that doesn't put expansionism as one of its primary doctrines.

Edit: oops, double posted

[Theodric]

Oh, some of those post quotes look awfully familiar...