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    Quote Originally Posted by Klonoa7 View Post
    THen what do you suggest as a permanent way of ending the imperial threat, peace is not an option.
    ...peace clearly is an option, since many Garleans have proven themselves to be reasonable and honourable. Garlemald will require changes in regards to how it operates moving forward but it is highly unlikely that it is going to be wiped out by the Eorzeans or the Warrior of Light. It's also a massive sprawling entity and so dismantling it would bring an immense amount of chaos - and good luck justifying ruining and ending the lives of the countless men, women and children living in Garlean territory.
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    I just get vibes of FF6, when the empire comes asking for help after screwing up/espers went on a rampage and flew off. Its either that or the PoW thing Judging by the map though, its pretty hard to think were headed anywhere else. It
    ll probably be ascian related
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  3. #93
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    Well, there's the Garlean Consulate in Kugane. That could easily be used to host meetings between the Warrior of Light, some of his key allies and at least one prominent individual serving Garlemald.

    There's also the matter of Regula's dying words regarding the Emperor and how he may have need of the Warrior of Light someday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    ...peace clearly is an option, since many Garleans have proven themselves to be reasonable and honourable. Garlemald will require changes in regards to how it operates moving forward but it is highly unlikely that it is going to be wiped out by the Eorzeans or the Warrior of Light. It's also a massive sprawling entity and so dismantling it would bring an immense amount of chaos - and good luck justifying ruining and ending the lives of the countless men, women and children living in Garlean territory.
    Not to mention outright war with Garlemald is likely exactly what the Ascians want anyway. The Garleans don't exist just to be an antagonist for our characters, they'll end up screwing with other things off-screen, perhaps as a side result of our actions. Remember that Lakshimi got summoned because the Garleans accidentally killed an Ananta hostage during their retreat from the bridge our forces had just taken.

    (On a side note, I have a feeling there's going to be a big reveal about why pure-blooded Garleans cannot use magic.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by YianKutku View Post
    ... said the Ishgardians about the dragons.
    Ishgardians were the instigators of the war, their ancestors betrayed their Dragon allies out of greed and murdered Ratatoskr while their leaders since conspired to keep the truth buried and spread lies about how the dragons attacked them when they discovered Coerthas. Even after truth was freed many refused to accept it and wanted to continue the war the only reason the peace ultimately succeeded was because said people were either killed or commit suicide in the aftermath of their riot. With the conspirators out of the way the only real obstacle was nidhogg's shade which may have served to boost the public's idea of making peace with the dragons (due to seeing their most hated enemy attempting to murder his own kind who was attempting to make peace)

    That said, Isgaard was in the wrong, not the dragons. Nidhogg went insane however and his death was inevitable. He was willing to kill his own kind (including his brother and Niece; who was acting as a diplomat at the time) to complete his goals
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    accidentally killed an Ananta hostage during their retreat from the bridge our forces had just taken.
    There was nothing accidental about it. This was Fordola, the same Fordola who committed genocide against her own people under the excuse "I'd win them their freedom"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klonoa7 View Post
    There was nothing accidental about it. This was Fordola, the same Fordola who committed genocide against her own people under the excuse "I'd win them their freedom"
    IIRC the quest/cutscene specifically mentions that one of the soldiers panicked and struck the prisoner during the confrontation, a pretty far cry from Fordola straight up executing her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    IIRC the quest/cutscene specifically mentions that one of the soldiers panicked and struck the prisoner during the confrontation, a pretty far cry from Fordola straight up executing her.
    All they had to do was let the prisoner go and make a run for it while the queen was busy reuniting with her daughter to advert the entire crisis. Instead they chose to kill the prisoner, probably thinking the Ananta would be too full of despair to fight.

    Of course that'd mean no Lakshmi fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
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    Mm. The Ascians thrive off of bloodshed and strife by their own admittance - every nation, every leader, every peasant is but a convenient tool for them to exploit. So has it been throughout history. Even Elidibus is seemingly playing the same game as the rest of the Ascians only in a more calculated manner. He manipulated the Warriors of Darkness. He gave the Eyes of Nidhogg to Ilberd. Now he's seeking to either sweet talk or coerce the Emperor of Garlemald. Clearly he doesn't necessarily care about the Emperor or Garlemald - because if he did then he probably wouldn't have thrown the Eyes of Nidhogg at Ilberd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klonoa7 View Post
    There was nothing accidental about it. This was Fordola, the same Fordola who committed genocide against her own people under the excuse "I'd win them their freedom"
    The hell? She didn't "commit genocide". She performed a strike that hit the people under her command, sure, but neither that nor what the skulls were doing suggest she was performing a genocide. In fact, genocide probably would have resulted in her turning on the empire, since the Ala Mihgans cannot be free if the Ala Mighans are all dead.
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