Has the problem with WHM in raids fixed in SB?

[Spiroglyph]

Idk, maybe WHM's healing is potent enough that it could easily solo heal content with little trouble keeping up both HPS and MP wise? :/

I'm not really that well versed in WHM play right now (I am lveling it still) - as of right now I'm quite fond of it in dungeons because it does have quite nice MP management, and (please don't hit me for this) I quite like the lily mechanic! Having reduced cooldowns on OGCD abilities is quite nice, and the more I can have them up the more I can DPS o\

Not gonna say it doesn't have its flaws - I repeat that I do not have it at 70 yet, I don't know how well it performs in 70 content, but I've heard the lvl70 skill leaves much to be desired :/

To be quite honest, I'm starting to think the problem is more AST being overbuffed than either SCH or WHM (not that these jobs shouldn't be tweaked), AST is just too good at the moment lol.

(and yeah, in this game I don't really believe in a pure heal-healer. Maybe in some sort of content where DPS checks were so tight you called in a good WHM to solo heal in order to fill uo last slot as DPS, but other than that I am really, REALLY skeptical of jobs in this game with no other utility :P)

... is it just me who thinks 3.4/3.5 healer classes was the most balanced we've ever been?

[Elamys]

Idk, maybe WHM's healing is potent enough that it could easily solo heal content with little trouble keeping up both HPS and MP wise? :/

I was hoping that we could see something like this, where WHM's healing was so strong that they could solo heal some content, leaving room for either another DPS or a healer to just DPS pretty much the whole time. IDK if that's gonna be the case, but it would be nice to see.

To be quite honest, I'm starting to think the problem is more AST being overbuffed than either SCH or WHM (not that these jobs shouldn't be tweaked), AST is just too good at the moment lol.

You are right on the money here. Outside of some minor tweaks, all the healers would be fine, except they gave AST too much. Reverse the buff to Nocturnal Sect, that would be a good start. Most of SCH's problems could be fixed with numbers adjustments and WHM could just do with some minor utility like Haste.

[xNewbx]

It might become a waste anyway since, in terms of MP efficiency, your CO is better spent when Lucid Dreams is up as it's unlikely (but not impossible) that both Lightspeed and Lucid Dreams buffs would be up at the same time since they're both on different cooldown times.

Not true. At level 68 you get a trait that if you crit with Benefic I or II, you have a 100% chance to decrease Lightspeed CD by 5 seconds. (Wow WHM has a similar one right? except it's a 20% chance after crit'ing...) All these CD's are on a 2 minute CD except Lightspeed which is 150 seconds.
And anyways, if you want to talk about things not lining up properly, the same exact goes for WHM. I've mained WHM throughout the whole expansion and done almost hundred clears on the EX primals with it, and I can say it's extremely rare for everything to line up.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I was hoping that we could see something like this, where WHM's healing was so strong that they could solo heal some content, leaving room for either another DPS or a healer to just DPS pretty much the whole time. .

While that definitely would be nice, it would be pretty broken honestly.
If WHM can just solo heal content, there's no longer going to be a reason to bring anything else, because an extra DPS will always be more preferable than an ASTs cards or a SCHs fairy.

That being said, I really do feel like WHM should be similar to SAM. That is, excessively large heals and DPS to make up for it not bringing utility to the raid.
I mean, SCH is still outdpsing WHM single target and AST is not far behind. For a job that brings nothing to raid other than it's basic duties as a healer, it really should excel greatly in that.

[Ghishlain]

Not true. At level 68 you get a trait that if you crit with Benefic I or II, you have a 100% chance to decrease Lightspeed CD by 5 seconds. (Wow WHM has a similar one right? except it's a 20% chance after crit'ing...) All these CD's are on a 2 minute CD except Lightspeed which is 150 seconds.
And anyways, if you want to talk about things not lining up properly, the same exact goes for WHM. I've mained WHM throughout the whole expansion and done almost hundred clears on the EX primals with it, and I can say it's extremely rare for everything to line up.

For WHM, the two major CDs you'd like to combo together on the WHM kit would be Thin Air and Presence of Mind and in some cases it's more beneficial to use them separately depending on the fight - so it's not necessary to have your CDs line up for optimized usage. I could see the argument to put Swiftcast into Thin Air to get a 5th GCD without any server issues but otherwise most WHM CDs can operate independently without hampering their effectiveness.

I will admit I forgot about the Hyper Lightspeed trait so comboing Lucid Dreams + Lightspeed + Celestial Opposition is certainly much more plausible. I still stand by the statement though if you had a choice of tools to use for MP efficiency, you should focus more on Lucid Dreams than Lightspeed. Though not everything in the AST kit runs off two minutes. Collective Unconsciousness, Synastry, and Largesse all are 90s CDs and holding onto them to combo with Celestial Opposition will lead to overall less uptime on the buffs / HoTs provided.

[Kabzy]

I mean, SCH is still outdpsing WHM single target and AST is not far behind.

WHM currently has the highest parses for both Susano and Lakshmi. Lakshmi by quite a margin. Do your research before you claim anything.

[Rai_Takara]

If FFlogs goes through its probable change, that being that leaderboards will be ranked by separating dps gained through balance, then the majority of people's reasons to bring AST is gone as they can't get balance fed their way to the top. The only people still gunning for them would be those that are running for speed killing which is a small minority compared to those that love having an AST for higher parses.

I mean, SCH is still outdpsing WHM single target and AST is not far behind. For a job that brings nothing to raid other than it's basic duties as a healer, it really should excel greatly in that.

WHM is a bit ahead of the SCH, both of them being a good distance ahead of AST atm.

[KDSilver]

Personnaly, I switch to WHM for the upcoming raid tier.

Let's be honest however : I still think the lilies system sucks (as well as plenary indulgence).

But the reason I made this choice was because I think WHM has now an awesome recovery ability thanks to his great pool of mana, Assize to 60s, Benediction to 3min, Divine Benision as an insta shield for tank buster.

I have now have no fear to cast some Cure II because I know it won't hurt my mana while I casted more Cure before to have the free cure II proc.
Same goes for aoe healing and espically medica ii that is powerful but cost a lot of mana.

So, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying WHM is fine right now, but there are some changes they made that I really like and make me really confortable to play it.

The fact that I can have 2 free raises and others strong healing stuff sounds good for me during learning times.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

WHM currently has the highest parses for both Susano and Lakshmi. Lakshmi by quite a margin. Do your research before you claim anything.

Not sure where you're reading this, but highest parse for WHM is less than 100 from SCHs top parse, and 200 above SCH in Lakshmi. This is not considering Balance uptime.
Of course, SCH also brings utility to the raid that can easily make up that difference.

So not sure where you're getting this huge gap in DPS power from. Heck, Monk was around this much stronger to DRG in 3.0, and guess what happened to them?

[xNewbx]

Not sure where you're reading this, but highest parse for WHM is less than 100 from SCHs top parse, and 200 above SCH in Lakshmi. This is not considering Balance uptime.
Of course, SCH also brings utility to the raid that can easily make up that difference.

So not sure where you're getting this huge gap in DPS power from. Heck, Monk was around this much stronger to DRG in 3.0, and guess what happened to them?

But here I thought the AST putting the balance on one person throughout a fight was supposed to represent the average dps that class could do?...

The issue with the SCH keeping up in DPS is the fact they offer the damage utility, whereas the WHM does not. And that extra crit buff feels amazing. Honestly if the WHM did a bit more damage, I think it'd be a very good balance between the healers.

WHM offering high, consistent damage.
SCH slightly lower, but a great crit buff.
AST the lowest personal DPS but has a chance to offer the most damage utility.

I personally think an RNG class should offer more if the cards play in their favor. As long as it's not extremely far over. Because, it's rng.