Has the problem with WHM in raids fixed in SB?

[Elamys]

WHM was not on the bench for an entire expansion. If you were on the bench for all of HW that reflects more on your skill as a WHM than the class itself. It wasn't until 3.4 that people started to prefer AST/SCH.

Also AST can give The Ewer to anyone in the party including their self, as a single target or AoE.

The goal of AST's MP management is to use as few Ewers for MP management as possible because that is the loss of a Royal Road party buff or a possible redraw into Balance/Arrow.

[DamianFatale]

Oh my moggle mog, anyone who cares about it that much needs to go outside, and take a break.

[Spiroglyph]

Idk, maybe WHM's healing is potent enough that it could easily solo heal content with little trouble keeping up both HPS and MP wise? :/

I'm not really that well versed in WHM play right now (I am lveling it still) - as of right now I'm quite fond of it in dungeons because it does have quite nice MP management, and (please don't hit me for this) I quite like the lily mechanic! Having reduced cooldowns on OGCD abilities is quite nice, and the more I can have them up the more I can DPS o\

Not gonna say it doesn't have its flaws - I repeat that I do not have it at 70 yet, I don't know how well it performs in 70 content, but I've heard the lvl70 skill leaves much to be desired :/

To be quite honest, I'm starting to think the problem is more AST being overbuffed than either SCH or WHM (not that these jobs shouldn't be tweaked), AST is just too good at the moment lol.

(and yeah, in this game I don't really believe in a pure heal-healer. Maybe in some sort of content where DPS checks were so tight you called in a good WHM to solo heal in order to fill uo last slot as DPS, but other than that I am really, REALLY skeptical of jobs in this game with no other utility :P)

... is it just me who thinks 3.4/3.5 healer classes was the most balanced we've ever been?

[Elamys]

Idk, maybe WHM's healing is potent enough that it could easily solo heal content with little trouble keeping up both HPS and MP wise? :/

I was hoping that we could see something like this, where WHM's healing was so strong that they could solo heal some content, leaving room for either another DPS or a healer to just DPS pretty much the whole time. IDK if that's gonna be the case, but it would be nice to see.

To be quite honest, I'm starting to think the problem is more AST being overbuffed than either SCH or WHM (not that these jobs shouldn't be tweaked), AST is just too good at the moment lol.

You are right on the money here. Outside of some minor tweaks, all the healers would be fine, except they gave AST too much. Reverse the buff to Nocturnal Sect, that would be a good start. Most of SCH's problems could be fixed with numbers adjustments and WHM could just do with some minor utility like Haste.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I was hoping that we could see something like this, where WHM's healing was so strong that they could solo heal some content, leaving room for either another DPS or a healer to just DPS pretty much the whole time. .

While that definitely would be nice, it would be pretty broken honestly.
If WHM can just solo heal content, there's no longer going to be a reason to bring anything else, because an extra DPS will always be more preferable than an ASTs cards or a SCHs fairy.

That being said, I really do feel like WHM should be similar to SAM. That is, excessively large heals and DPS to make up for it not bringing utility to the raid.
I mean, SCH is still outdpsing WHM single target and AST is not far behind. For a job that brings nothing to raid other than it's basic duties as a healer, it really should excel greatly in that.

[Kabzy]

I mean, SCH is still outdpsing WHM single target and AST is not far behind.

WHM currently has the highest parses for both Susano and Lakshmi. Lakshmi by quite a margin. Do your research before you claim anything.

[Rai_Takara]

If FFlogs goes through its probable change, that being that leaderboards will be ranked by separating dps gained through balance, then the majority of people's reasons to bring AST is gone as they can't get balance fed their way to the top. The only people still gunning for them would be those that are running for speed killing which is a small minority compared to those that love having an AST for higher parses.

I mean, SCH is still outdpsing WHM single target and AST is not far behind. For a job that brings nothing to raid other than it's basic duties as a healer, it really should excel greatly in that.

WHM is a bit ahead of the SCH, both of them being a good distance ahead of AST atm.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

WHM currently has the highest parses for both Susano and Lakshmi. Lakshmi by quite a margin. Do your research before you claim anything.

Not sure where you're reading this, but highest parse for WHM is less than 100 from SCHs top parse, and 200 above SCH in Lakshmi. This is not considering Balance uptime.
Of course, SCH also brings utility to the raid that can easily make up that difference.

So not sure where you're getting this huge gap in DPS power from. Heck, Monk was around this much stronger to DRG in 3.0, and guess what happened to them?

[xNewbx]

Not sure where you're reading this, but highest parse for WHM is less than 100 from SCHs top parse, and 200 above SCH in Lakshmi. This is not considering Balance uptime.
Of course, SCH also brings utility to the raid that can easily make up that difference.

So not sure where you're getting this huge gap in DPS power from. Heck, Monk was around this much stronger to DRG in 3.0, and guess what happened to them?

But here I thought the AST putting the balance on one person throughout a fight was supposed to represent the average dps that class could do?...

The issue with the SCH keeping up in DPS is the fact they offer the damage utility, whereas the WHM does not. And that extra crit buff feels amazing. Honestly if the WHM did a bit more damage, I think it'd be a very good balance between the healers.

WHM offering high, consistent damage.
SCH slightly lower, but a great crit buff.
AST the lowest personal DPS but has a chance to offer the most damage utility.

I personally think an RNG class should offer more if the cards play in their favor. As long as it's not extremely far over. Because, it's rng.

[Sebazy]

Monk was around this much stronger to DRG in 3.0, and guess what happened to them?

The situation with monk was as much linked with the drop in popularity of PLDs throughout Midas and Creator as it was any failings with the job itself. Once DRK MTs became the standard, Dragon Kick aka Monk's utility lost the value it once had.

Healers don't really synergise with specific jobs currently, so it's not nearly as severe a situation as Mnks were in.