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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    My point wasnt that tanks shouldnt care about their dps - ofc they should, just as much as a healer should try their best to add dps aswell. My point was: people should be honest about whats the issue here. Because aggro isnt it - less dps-output is (and maybe the loss of flash for warrior).
    Our aggro is fine (as long as you actually watch out for it) - our damage-output took a blow.
    That's fair. I may have disagreed before the enmity update, but now our aggro is fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coatl View Post
    To me, raid accessories from omega being forever worthless for tanks is a pretty big issue. I raid for fun yes, but I also raid for the gear and knowing that my entire right side will not help me is a big disappointment.

    Like, you think tanks wanna go back to overmelding crafted accessories like in gordias?
    They won't be forever worthless. Even if Savage difficulty is reduced yet again, we'll eventually reach a point where tanks simply won't survive attacks without Fending. It does suck though you're wearing Fending for a bloated HP pool you won't ever need but the alternative will have become too weak to compensate.
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    Firkmann Solksthalsyn
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    Goblin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelg View Post
    There was nothing wrong with this formula, and there was no good reason to change it. If you are worried that we will be too strong after dying, then change the weakness stat to lower damage dealt instead. This would fix all of the tank problems, while keeping the healers happy. It's a simple fix really. HP inflation(lol) will be a thing no matter what with the way our accessories are.
    How about no.....how about focusing on damage mitigation and holding aggro than trying to play tanks as a DPS. Come patch 3.05.....it wont matter anymore. No more STR for any tanks and its smart to get use to it now!
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    Kelg Granthal
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck View Post
    How about no.....how about focusing on damage mitigation and holding aggro than trying to play tanks as a DPS. Come patch 3.05.....it wont matter anymore. No more STR for any tanks and its smart to get use to it now!
    Yeah, let's make tanking as boring as possible so that even less people will play it. Great idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelg View Post
    Yeah, let's make tanking as boring as possible so that even less people will play it. Great idea!
    Thats your opinion Kelg but alot of the tanks in my FC and those I talk to in Twitch completely disagree with you. As I stated, 3.05 is when STR accessories can no longer be used.....thats SE making those changes so get use to them because they are the law of Eorzea when it happens no matter how your view is.....
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    Methos Ranperre
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelg View Post
    There was nothing wrong with this formula, and there was no good reason to change it.
    How about they actually utilize Tenacity properly since its Tank exclusive? The gear has also already been updated for it.
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    Lhei Fox
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ReplicaX View Post
    How about they actually utilize Tenacity properly since its Tank exclusive? The gear has also already been updated for it.
    yes but then again i still prefer more crit dmg then tenacity.

    I would like to vit as dmg scale for tank was great nothing wrong about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tagihi View Post
    yes but then again i still prefer more crit dmg then tenacity.

    I would like to vit as dmg scale for tank was great nothing wrong about it.
    Tenacity isn't set it stone is what I am saying it can always be changed. Also I agree with Vit dmg scaling.

    These 2 erase any need for STR, which should be useless to the Role and simplifies to avoid unnecessary confusion.
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    Dement Drachte
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    Coeurl
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    Warrior Lv 78
    Quote Originally Posted by ReplicaX View Post
    Tenacity isn't set it stone is what I am saying it can always be changed. Also I agree with Vit dmg scaling.

    These 2 erase any need for STR, which should be useless to the Role and simplifies to avoid unnecessary confusion.
    Because of the changes to weakness, they can't make VIT dmg scaling. I would prefer to keep the current weakness where you don't lose VIT for death as getting up only to not survive the next raid wide damage always sucked.

    Really, there are only two options to them. Add STR to 61+ Fending accessories or alter Weakness to be a flat damage down/healing down % and go back to VIT damage scaling. Personally, I think it'd be much easier for them to add STR to 40-50 Fending accs than to completely re-examine how they handle Weakness for all jobs.
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    Zivah Relana
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    Zalera
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    I played only in 2.0 when PLD dps wasn't a thing, but Warrior dps did exist so I am indifferent about the whole tanks should or should not do dps. However, I have always been of the mindset that if you are actively tanking you need to be in your tank stance using your tank rotation until enmity is at a reasonable level to switch off to a dps rotation. As far as stats go I kind of wished they would have made secondary stats like tenacity, determination, skill speed, or crit scale better across the board and actually be useful to tank classes. Basically completely ignore STR as a stat and make these secondary stats contribute to dps, or mitigation abilities and provide slightly more variation for tank spec gear. You could keep Vit on everything, but now you could balance between how much mitigation and dps you're getting based on your secondary stats. In the case of Vit it needs to do more than just increase an HP pool. I would suggest increasing healing received both from self heals as well as from outside sources for tanks only, otherwise it only serves one purpose and makes the stat as a whole uninteresting.
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    Waliel Hla
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 90
    My favourite part was the excuse of "HP inflation" if tank damage scaled off VIT. It's literally impossible to get more VIT as tanks, because you're already capped on everything.
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