Lets stop fighting SE and work with them. What are your ideas?

[HoodRat]

The only solution to have SE and the player base happy i think its just remove the tank stance damage penalty, allowing us to keep the DPS and being tanky at the same time.

But idk why its not a popular idea over here.

It wouldn't change anything other than giving the less experienced tanks higher dps. Both extreme primals and all of Omega can be tanked with full uptime of dps stance easily, and with SE's current track record I doubt savage will be much different.

[shao32]

How would that work with WAR though? Unless they're adding the same effects of defiance to deliverance

War is the only reason why i see they dont do this, look complicated but simple a the same time, the thing deliverance and defiance are the 2 sides of the same Coín, i Will say move the 5% from deliverance to storm eye and remove the crit, ajust defiance set to dealt much more damage with keeping the effect of that new punch skill and remover the beast penalty, there you have a War with 2 diferent rotations depending of being MT or OT, but its a lot of work

[shao32]

It wouldn't change anything other than giving the less experienced tanks higher dps. Both extreme primals and all of Omega can be tanked with full uptime of dps stance easily, and with SE's current track record I doubt savage will be much different.

SE get what they want, you guys get what you want, i belive is a win-win.
Being able to tank in dps stance or not dont really matter for this

Pf: sorry double post, phone ^^

[Argyle_Darkheart]

SE get what they want

Does SE get what they want though? Honestly, I can't figure out what they want.

[shao32]

Does SE get what they want though? Honestly, I can't figure out what they want.

Idk but at least this Will stop having tanks being rude eachother for just stay or not in tank stance without making angry the most pasionate agresive tanking followers

[Vallamaria]

They should separate dmg scaling and hp scaling to different stats, just like how healers have their healing power scaled off int and mp scaled off pie.

Which is kind of weird. Imagine if healers' healing output and damage are scaled off int, and their main stat is pie, I'd bet a lot of them will wear int accs after having enough pie to heal certain contents.

Actually Healer's healing power and damage both scale off of Mind now not not Int. Just figured I should correct you and point that out seeing as you keep saying Int.

[HoodRat]

Does SE get what they want though? Honestly, I can't figure out what they want.

They don't. SE wants tanks to not be capable of the amounts of damage they're capable of now. And the reason they're capable of it now is because the content is designed for casuals. Removing damage penalty from tank stance doesn't fix this, locking tanks into vit gear doesn't fix this.

[Duelle]

I personally think active mitigation and constant damage WoW has would be fun.

As a gameplay element of a single tank class, sure. As the basis for all tank gameplay, no thanks. I hung up my sword and shield when Blizzard forced-fed that turd sandwich to prot warriors during Mists ("oh it worked so well for Death Knights that we're making everyone play like them"), and I don't want to have to give up tanking for the same reason here.

The only solution to have SE and the player base happy i think its just remove the tank stance damage penalty, allowing us to keep the DPS and being tanky at the same time.

But idk why its not a popular idea over here.

At that point you'd have to entirely remove stances. At most, WAR would probably keep theirs since they can then truly be a class that is mechanically dependent on stances (as opposed to now, where the only reason stance dancing is a thing is because "muh deeps").

I'm not opposed to the idea, but it really is terra incognita.

[Dizzy_Derp]

The only solution to have SE and the player base happy i think its just remove the tank stance damage penalty, allowing us to keep the DPS and being tanky at the same time.

But idk why its not a popular idea over here.

That change would irritate me to no end. Being able to tank and do damage at the same time is what separates the skilled players from the rest. and the skilled players are working their asses off for it to show. If it was that easy to do top tier damage then tanking really would be boring as hell.

[YitharV2]

As a gameplay element of a single tank class, sure. As the basis for all tank gameplay, no thanks. I hung up my sword and shield when Blizzard forced-fed that turd sandwich to prot warriors during Mists ("oh it worked so well for Death Knights that we're making everyone play like them"), and I don't want to have to give up tanking for the same reason here.

Well, I doubt SE would be implementing active mitigation anyways because it's too hard for newer players.

That being said, in terms of balance, I don't think it would be possible to balance active and passive mitigation because active mitigation is generally much stronger. Like I imagine hypothetically if they were to implement just one tank job with the ability to actively mitigate damage, almost no one would play anything other tank.

You remind of what someone once said on Reddit.

I really disliked tanking in legion. Active mitigation isn't engaging, it's just spamming short cooldown buttons like every 6 - 12 seconds on top of all the regular ???? you do. Granted, I didn't play all the tanks just some.

I never played WoW. Just TERA. But personally for me active mitigation in TERA was fun because you got a "Defense Successful!" and 0 damage taken every time you blocked something (and depending on the boss, it could be every 3 seconds or something), plus now you get buffs for blocking. And blocking is also a component of animation cancelling which makes gameplay even faster. But to each their own. I understand not everyone will find that fun. But I do know a lot of players find tanking in FFXIV to be boring outside optimizing their DPS.