Phalanx Antiquated?

[Bahn]

Anyone else getting the feeling that Phalanx is an antique now?

I am trying to figure out why I would want to use Phalanx. With the combo system, I would rather use the TP for an enmity or damage combo rather than using TP on Phalanx.

Same feeling here. There's a good discussion in the Battle Mechanics forum. Phalanx being antiquated is not because Phalanx sucks - Phalanx was VERY useful in 1.19 - it's a symptom of the Combo system that is in its infancy.

What I think they should do is make a combo you can do off of a Phalanx - make the Phalanx actually useful to use. Something like Phalanx --> Some other skill = Additional effect - Lowered Defense or Lowered Attack to make it worth it to do as a tank.

Edit: I see Paladin can combo off of Phalanx, but again - what about Gladiator? If I choose to stick with Gladiator is SE telling me to just stop using Phalanx altogether because it's more efficient to just stick to combos?

Maybe allow Gladiator to combo off of Phalanx, but do less damage than a Paladin to prevent Gladiator from overtaking Paladin, I dunno.

[Brannigan]

Edit: I see Paladin can combo off of Phalanx, but again - what about Gladiator? If I choose to stick with Gladiator is SE telling me to just stop using Phalanx altogether because it's more efficient to just stick to combos?

Uh, yes? Why on earth wouldn't you use Paladin?

[Bahn]

Uh, yes? Why on earth wouldn't you use Paladin?

Why on earth should a Gladiator be given a useless skill then, and why no earth should SE be telling me or you how to play? "Don't complain, deal with it" will be your obvious answer. If that' sthe case why not just remove Phalanx from Gladiator altogether if it's going to be rendered worthless due to the incomplete Combo system?

[Aratharn]

Uh, yes? Why on earth wouldn't you use Paladin?

Soloing. They said classes are going to be more for solo play and jobs will be specialized for party play.

[Fated]

SE made that statement quite a while ago, back during Summer IIRC. It is possible that they changed directions and decided to make the job system more of a general advancement rather than a party based alternative. Your base is Gladiator but you would be switching between different Gladiator jobs (once they release more) based on the situation rather than use the class by itself.

I honestly don't see the point of the current classes without the jobs next patch because the handful of abilities that are job only are extremely useful and finish off combos that the classes can't perform without the jobs.

Cross classing is also a lot less necessary now compared to pre 1.20. I mean, yeah, we still cross class a bunch of things but the classes now perform their roles based on their own actions rather than a handful of good ones from a bunch of different classes.

Just stating my thoughts, no one knows what SE will ultimately do till we get more information.

[Radiator]

Yes- and Tempered Will- that seems pointless atm too.. until they add more bind/heavy casting mobs.

[syntaxlies]

I personally don't lke the idea of phalanx only having a purpose with paladin, it waste a spot on my bar for a job i don't even have, and if you choose to stay solo(glad) there will be that skill there that is a waste. They should have given glad another buff and saved that for paladin.

[Forerunner]

Maybe if they gave it an 'Increases Enmity' Effect, like the combo it would supplement both GLA and PLD.

[smokymcweed]

thier version of phalanx sux anyway phalanx is suposed to be a rdm spellk n ot a gld abilaty wtf se

[buritoslicer]

Anyone else getting the feeling that Phalanx is an antique now?

I am trying to figure out why I would want to use Phalanx. With the combo system, I would rather use the TP for an enmity or damage combo rather than using TP on Phalanx.

Seems like a good skill to help you out while your leveling... actual usability during Moogle/Ifrit is close to none.