Thread: The Problem of Hunts and early pulling in 4.0

Originally Posted by SuperZay

What's the rush though. It's an MMO, you don't play this game alone. It's only a common courtecy to wait a minute so other people can get a credit too.

And SE now made it almost mandatory to share hunts or each individual person that isn't already close to the mount will never get anywhere close.

Originally Posted by Mandudez

Not a single person is saying wait for hours. Most servers have a standard wait time of up to 5 minutes depending on what time of day and how many are out hunting.

Where are these standard wait times per server and other conditions posted? Who agreed them? I sure didn't get the memo. Oh, wait, it's arbitrarily set by you, your own expectation or someone who influenced you into believing them about it. Did SE set it up that way with a 5 minute cooldown once the mark is tagged? Nope. It's first come first served. You talk like pulling a mark immediately is somehow against then rules implied by " Most servers have a standard wait time of up to 5 minutes depending on what time of day and how many are out hunting". That's nonsense, we all know it comes down to the ones who are not there when the mark is pulled complaining about it being pulled before they arrive.


Standard wait time for a hunt indeed, whatever next?

Originally Posted by Kyuuen

I'd balance it out in the same way that you would balance out at winning a race.

... Is it crappy, certainly. ...

Why are so many people OK with something so "crappy" as you put it being allowed to exist in this game?

Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Where are these standard wait times per server and other conditions posted? Who agreed them? I sure didn't get the memo. Oh, wait, it's arbitrarily set by you, your own expectation or someone who influenced you into believing them about it. Did SE set it up that way with a 5 minute cooldown once the mark is tagged? Nope. It's first come first served. You talk like pulling a mark immediately is somehow against then rules implied by " Most servers have a standard wait time of up to 5 minutes depending on what time of day and how many are out hunting". That's nonsense, we all know it comes down to the ones who are not there when the mark is pulled complaining about it being pulled before they arrive.


Standard wait time for a hunt indeed, whatever next?

I argue that it SHOULD be against the rules as one player keeps many from having a chance at obtaining a mount (and other titles + achievements). Is that not the definition of breaking the ToS, disrupting another player's game play in ANY way? These people purposefully do this in order to ruin other players game play and we all know it. They don't do it because "finders keepers."

Originally Posted by Mandudez

I argue that it SHOULD be against the rules as one player keeps many from having a chance at obtaining a mount (and other titles + achievements). Is that not the definition of breaking the ToS, disrupting another player's game play in ANY way? These people purposefully do this in order to ruin other players game play and we all know it. They don't do it because "finders keepers."

I'm not sure if you're trolling, but the only part that is against the rules is griefing. That means if you do something to cause it to reset (sometimes repeatedly) by pulling it away from someone (eg a tank in tank stance could do this) then you've griefed the player/players. Someone using a hacking tool to reveal where the hunt target is the second it appears and announce it to the hunt FC/linkshell is only breaking the rules about third party tools, but it gives an advantage to everyone in that FC/linkshell. Hence if you want to do the hunts, periodically go to places it spawns. If you know people are announcing it to a linkshell or just shouting it, then take down notes of when and where it's been seen and you should be able to predict the next place it shows up.

Originally Posted by Mandudez

I argue that it SHOULD be against the rules as one player keeps many from having a chance at obtaining a mount (and other titles + achievements). Is that not the definition of breaking the ToS, disrupting another player's game play in ANY way? These people purposefully do this in order to ruin other players game play and we all know it. They don't do it because "finders keepers."

Until SE says anything about it, it's free reign. You can't expect everyone to wait x amount of time.
It's common courtesy yes to wait, but it's not written or set in stone.
People don't like to read/hear this but it is what it is.

I BL the people who get sassy in shout chat about "early pulling." Those people are the real problem -- they're the ones whining and causing drama, not what they call the "early pullers".

I rarely hunt, but I'm grateful for the call out even if I don't make it in time.