Thread: The Problem of Hunts and early pulling in 4.0

Originally Posted by Avatre

HELP

Again, everyone knows that those are there because the game literally guides you to boards to open up hunting in each expansion area... so thanks for adding nothing constructive to the conversation. Stating what you did makes no sense unless you were injecting sarcasm into the statement in a passive/aggressive sort of way.

If you weren't I apologize for assuming you were but it still doesn't change the fact that in this case, you stated nothing but the obvious and in no way contributed to the actual conversation being had which was whining about people "pulling hunt mobs early", not about alternative methods for scoring seals.

I'd also like to point out that if YOU'RE the one finding the hunts, you'll never be late for them. If getting T6 materia is that much a priority to you, then be proactive and go hunt, as opposed to letting others hunt for you. Complaining will not change a thing, the pulls are going to happen when they're going to happen. Instead of pointing the finger at everyone else, /tell or /shout shaming who pulled (which can be considered harassment and is reportable), or just sitting back doing anything in the game other than hunting, I'd suggest you help yourself and get out there! Be faster, and if you can't be faster, be proactive. You aren't going to magically make people wait by complaining, so take action instead: go hunt!

Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

I\\'d also like to point out that if YOU\\'RE the one finding the hunts, you\\'ll never be late for them. If getting T6 materia is that much a priority to you, then be proactive and go hunt, as opposed to letting others hunt for you. Complaining will not change a thing, the pulls are going to happen when they\\'re going to happen. Instead of pointing the finger at everyone else, /tell or /shout shaming who pulled (which can be considered harassment and is reportable), or just sitting back doing anything in the game other than hunting, I\\'d suggest you help yourself and get out there! Be faster, and if you can\\'t be faster, be proactive. You aren\\'t going to magically make people wait by complaining, so take action instead: go hunt!

Speaking as someone who has, in the past, been out actively hunting for a hunt mob when it was found at the other end of the zone and didn\\'t make it there in time to even tag it, all of this talk of "just be out hunting!" needs to DIAF.

Of course, the real issue is that hunts are far, FAR too big of a portion of endgame progression for them to function this way in the first place...

The stench of self-entitlement here is intoxicating.

Originally Posted by Thandronen

Yes, this is a non-issue as far as SE is concerned. Hunts were never intended for people to create linkshells and call everyone out to them before killing.

It was also not intended for people to have bots/hacks scan the map for them. That -IS- the problem.

Basically the best mechanism to deal with the hunts is for SE to make it unpredictable. Never telegraph that they've appeared, they just appear anywhere on the map that can be reached on foot, which includes within 300 yalms of NPC's that might start attacking them.

This is very interesting because SE already has the stance that "early pulling" and such is not against the ToS. One could argue that someone spawning and not sharing the location of a S rank now disrupts their game play by denying them the chance to complete an achievement. No other single achievement can be directly denied by the actions of another player without breaking the ToS. And as their ToS states, disrupting another player's game play is a punishable offence. This has be something worth addressing even if nothing changes.

The whole issue with people with people cheating to locate S rank hunts could be resolved by simply lowering the draw distance of the S ranks, because they can't track something if it hasn't actually loaded into their client yet.

It doesn't seem to be an issue on my server, though, since I hunt often enough to know who the regulars are, and I haven't encountered any individuals who locate them with unusual speed on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by Mandudez

One could argue that someone spawning and not sharing the location of a S rank now disrupts their game play by denying them the chance to complete an achievement.

Except that everyone has an equal chance to complete an achievement if they spawn S rank themselves. S ranks are not exclusive property of anyone. And not getting a mount does not disrupt your gameplay in any way, it's a pure cosmetic item which has no any affect on gameplay, like any cash shop item.

Originally Posted by SuperZay

Except that everyone has an equal chance to complete an achievement if they spawn S rank themselves. S ranks are not exclusive property of anyone. And not getting a mount does not disrupt your gameplay in any way, it's a pure cosmetic item which has no any affect on gameplay, like any cash shop item.

It's funny that if this were a minion there would be a 100 page long thread by now but because it's "just a mount" it's no big deal. What other item that is in the game on this version is made near impossible for most of the player base to obtain? What makes this ONE ITEM so special?

Level 70, ARR hunts can be killed solo, so they feel like B rank hunts.