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    Zakuro_Shishio's Avatar
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    Zakuro Shishio
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    The Problem of Hunts and early pulling in 4.0

    Hello,

    There is and has been a problem of Hunts and people deliberatly pulling hunts early. This has been an issue in the past and is now more apparent than ever since ARR hunts die in a flash. There is a specific FC in our server particularly that is actively hunting them down, not relaying them anywhere and killing them early. This is effectively turning down alot of players even trying to do hunts and overall kill the experience of alot of the players on our server. I would like it that all the hunts get upscaled to lvl 70 or have a invulnerability state on hunts for about a minute at the fight start. This would kill alot of the toxicity against early pulls.

    Has anyone else faced these problems?

    Greetings from Siren.
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    Kyuuen Queles
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    Hate to break it to you, but there is no such thing as early pulling in hunts. No where is it stated that someone can't pull a hunt mob when they want, however purposely resetting a hunt mob can be considered a form of griefing.
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    Kaylee Frye
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    Do we really need another thread about this? There is no such thing as early pulling. It's first come first serve. That is how it's set up and how it's meant to work. The best thing you can do is join a hunt group or camp for the ones you want.

    Yes some people are nice enough to wait and they are awesome, but there are a lot who are selfish and won't wait. There is nothing to be done, as this is how hunts are supposed to work.
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    Thandronen Ranguemont
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    Ultros
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    Yes, this is a non-issue as far as SE is concerned. Hunts were never intended for people to create linkshells and call everyone out to them before killing. It's supposed to be players hunting them down and killing in groups making the effort to actually, you know, HUNT for the mobs.

    To all the folks getting upset because S Ranks are being "pulled early": Either get there faster or hope to get lucky receiving credit, or go out and spend the time to hunt or pop them yourselves or choose to not participate in the call outs and keep doing what you were already busy doing that did not involve taking the time to go out and hunt.

    With that being said, wouldn't be nice if people waited for the whole server to gather before pulling it? Yes, it would be but it's not happening across the board on every server and it's not considered a violation... so just deal with it or make the effort to hunt them down yourself.

    #endallwhininghuntthreadspleasefortheloveofallthatisacred
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    Kylrin Arresard
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    As stated above and as I stated I another thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Malzian View Post
    Also the concept of "early pulls" isn't really valid, either, since the person that first finds a hunt had EVERY RIGHT to pull and kill it at any point as anyone else. Calling the hunt and waiting (any length of time) is a courtesy. It is a social norm that is more a matter of manners than of actual obligation or requirement. No matter when you pull and kill a hunt it will always be too early for someone. You will always get someone yelling that it was pulled to soon since it can take a while for the call to filter through the dozens upon dozens of hunt LSes for that last person to get it and show up "just as it was called" even if you've been standing there for 10 minutes.
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    The sum of all hunt arguments over early pullers: http://goo.gl/IFT9IE

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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    So, there is this group of people activly hunting (aka looking for the hunts, maybe putting in effort to spawn them) who claim their reward for it without waiting for everyones grandma to go buy the game, install it, level their character to 70, get into that area and have a shot at the hunt-mob too? And you're mad at them because they put in effort and claim their reward without sharing it with everyone?
    Is it nice to announce a hunt and wait a few minutes - yeah, sure.
    Does anyone has to do that? Certainly not at all.

    If you and your group find a hunt and you are able to kill, its perfectly fine of you to go ahead and kill it. Period. No need, no obligation at all to the whole server to get their asses over there and profit from someone elses work.
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    Koala Shibito
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    Wait, so an FC is going around hunting Hunts and you're calling that toxicity? If they are out hunting they have no obligation to inform the entire server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuro_Shishio View Post
    This has been an issue in the past and is now more apparent than ever since ARR hunts die in a flash.
    It is BECAUSE hunt marks die in a flash that groups can't afford to wait too long before pulling. If too many are killing a mob, it becomes almost impossible for anyone to get full credit for the kill. Or even bronze credit.

    The more participating, the less credit everyone gets. The hunt marks simply were not designed for folks to wait for everyone to arrive.
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    Myrhn Shirayuki
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    The Problem with early pulling in 4.0

    There is no problem.

    Thanks
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    I love the official forums, they tell you to use the search for thread about what you wanted to talk but when you use it they judge for necro a thread.


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    Ein Vaer
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    Err if this FC is actually doing the work (finding them) then it's up to them whether they want to notify people. Just because I'm online when a hunt spawns doesn't mean I should get the rewards especially if I'm not actually going around looking for them and I'm just semi-afk waiting for someone to call them.
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