Your looking at it the wrong way.

[Hayden]

I certainly agree, which brings in the next wave of complainers.

"SE ISN'T LISTENING TO US."

No. They are. They are just choosing not to act on an idea or suggestion that they feel isn't worth the time.

I am actually amazed with how much listening they have been doing. It is kind of exciting to be part of something like this. Normally people never get much say as far as how a game is developed, but as far as this game goes, a LOT of what we see now is a result of the dev's sifting through so much muk and actually listening to what people want. The fact that it takes longer to implement than people think, and perhaps some people don't actually KNOW what they want in the first place? Well that's a topic for another thread

[Jennestia]

most of us learned that playing XI.

We played a severly different FFXI then.

ToAU, WoTG and Add-ons were specifically made because of SE caring about people's opinions. Especially Abyssea because people complaining about not being spoonfed gear.

[Drunk-Bandit]

the reason everyone is saying SE ruined this game is because.....they ruined this game...just because I choose to voice my opinion differently than you does not make my point less valid. SE ruined this game and they are continuing to do so even now. When payment starts my server will be dead. Its already down to the same 100 or so people day in and day out on my server. The new star wars game is coming out, payment is starting too soon, lack of content, lack of basic game mechanics = [death].

I'm sorry you are not capable of caring about the direction the game is headed, I truly am. And maybe the OP is right, maybe more constructive posts would get SE's attention...oh wait...I played XI for 5 years...they don't care about you or your opinion...most of us learned that playing XI.

Yea I do agree that new Star wars game is going somewhat put a hammer on the current population especally if it's cracked up to what bioware is hyping it up to be a true WoW Killer lol. As for this game... It's going take a year or two to rebuild from the rushed launch... Only loyal fans of SE & The entire Final Fantasy Series for that matter will be playing this when FFXIV 2.0 releases... However they have a chance to gain lost souls back by releasing expansions... Like FFXI did. It may not be a pretty road ahead, but have some hope dude... Don't count FFXIV out just yet.

[Tano]

i actually think that moogle fight is great. they just need to stop doing stupid things or simply start to play this game lol. i'm talking about moogle fight pre-req, the idiot link system (links only when you are in a party, lol why? what's the point of doing a party then?) and the stats on u/u items (that may have been good before materia system, but now...).

i like class reforms too to be honest, and i'm main lancer (a little bit nerfed compared to archer's powerup)

[LicontAshontear]

Yea I do agree that new Star wars game is going somewhat put a hammer on the current population especally if it's cracked up to what bioware is hyping it up to be a true WoW Killer lol. As for this game... It's going take a year or two to rebuild from the rushed launch... Only loyal fans of SE & The entire Final Fantasy Series for that matter will be playing this when FFXIV 2.0 releases... However they have a chance to gain lost souls back by releasing expansions... Like FFXI did. It may not be a pretty road ahead, but have some hope dude... Don't count FFXIV out just yet.

oh i have no intention of quiting. But if I'm going to pay (which I am) I want the game to not suck ; ;. For days now I've just been sitting here...waiting for something to happen. Letting my friends catch up with the moogle quest so we can go try it. Leveling crafts (which I hate btw, I refused to lvl crafts in XI and I tried not to lvl them here but now I have nothing left to do). And if you think its boring right now, just wait till payment starts, I will not be able to do much of anything anymore except pay to not play a game. Which makes me very mad.

[Xatsh]

Quick Comment on ToR:
I do not see ToR doing much at all for the active population, honestly I am not expecting that game to hold over 30% of its initial subbase aftera years time. The game is truly just bad outside of the Solo player portion of it. Has no lasting appeal once you are finished with the storylines which are good. So the mass decline in the games population is almost garenteed, there is just too many massively flawed designs and decisions put in ToR for it to really succeed long term unless they have a ton of non-scalable group content not added yet.

Comment about this post in general:
The op is right

The post from people on thread backs up the OP point. We are not playing a finished game, thing atm do not make sense. YOU CANNOT JUDGE THE GAME ATM, well you can and everyone is. The game atm makes no sense, it is unballanced, broke, lacks content. But once everything is added will it still be all negative? SE did make one of the most success mmos of all times before are they that stupid? Will everything make sense and work after the Systems are installed 100%?

We need to look at the now in respect to the future planned additions, if you do they make alot more sense. That is where the white knighting is coming into play. People are bashing the "current" game without any clue of why X was done or how it will be after the rest of the system is added. Example is the battle system, we are still missing group based combo (the replacement of regiments) so the battle reforms are not done. The buffs and enfeebles are removed and people are pissed, but all the classes are not added. Archanist was said it would use trap spells (bind, gravity?). So the classes that use those spells are not added. SO The class system is not done. The job system is not done. The World is not done being made. The companys are not done. Most the quest are not added. The story is not done. So it is impossible to say if anything at Patch 1.20 is fail.. because we simply do not know how it will work once done.

This game is in a state of Alpha/Beta atm, XIV that was launched in Sept 2010 died in Nov 2010, This game now has the same name but it is not the same game. Whole new concept. We are part of the Development process now.

Those who choose to play a finished game should leave for now they will enjoy their time more, but those who want to be part of the transformation of the game can stay. That is what we are paying for, the opportunity to witness the birth of a new mmo from development to launch more or less. Give feedback on what is added, voice our concerns.

Licont is an example of the OPs whole point and why it is valid. People need to not look at the now and they need to not look at this as a finished product.

[LicontAshontear]

We need to look at the now in respect to the future planned additions, if you do they make alot more sense.

I said that same thing. But I also said that breaking the game now with the plan to fix it in the future is the wrong way to do it. As it is right now the classes are extremely off. They wont be fixed until the advanced jobs come out. But that is the wrong way to go about it. They should have held off the class changes for 1.21 and done it all in one go. Right now even normal parties at lvl 50 are difficult. The new moogle prereq quest is a massive time sink purposly implemented to keep people busy until next patch. This is the wrong way to do things. You want to keep people interested in the game? Keep people playing? Make a game that is worth playing in the first place.

SE did make one of the most success mmos of all times before are they that stupid?

They were stupid enough to make this horrible game and then AFTER it bombed fire all their staff and try again. lol. Am I the only one that remembers that?

Licont is an example of the OPs whole point and why it is valid. People need to not look at the now and they need to not look at this as a finished product.

And you are a perfect example of a noob that can't read. I said already twice, they are making plans for the future, but breaking the game even more in the mean time. I know they are trying to fix it, but breaking it just to fix it later is WRONG. Learn to read.

[Alerith]

I said that same thing. But I also said that breaking the game now with the plan to fix it in the future is the wrong way to do it. As it is right now the classes are extremely off. They wont be fixed until the advanced jobs come out. But that is the wrong way to go about it. They should have held off the class changes for 1.21 and done it all in one go. Right now even normal parties at lvl 50 are difficult. The new moogle prereq quest is a massive time sink purposly implemented to keep people busy until next patch. This is the wrong way to do things. You want to keep people interested in the game? Keep people playing? Make a game that is worth playing in the first place.



They were stupid enough to make this horrible game and then AFTER it bombed fire all their staff and try again. lol. Am I the only one that remembers that?



And you are a perfect example of a noob that can't read. I said already twice, they are making plans for the future, but breaking the game even more in the mean time. I know they are trying to fix it, but breaking it just to fix it later is WRONG. Learn to read.

I don't see eye to eye with this "breaking" you are talking about. Which means this is a battle of opinions and means absolutely nothing to the devs.

Person A thinks we are breaking the game before it gets better.
Person B thinks the game is getting better all across the board.

Neither of us have the right to declare either of our opinions as fact.

[LicontAshontear]

I don't see eye to eye with this "breaking" you are talking about. Which means this is a battle of opinions and means absolutely nothing to the devs.

Person A thinks we are breaking the game before it gets better.
Person B thinks the game is getting better all across the board.

Neither of us have the right to declare either of our opinions as fact.

If the game was getting better then we probably would not be losing so many people every day...
you say it is a battle of opinions...but my opinion has a dwindling player base backing it up...and the other opinion has...uhh...what does it have exactly?

[Alerith]

If the game was getting better then we probably would not be losing so many people every day...
you say it is a battle of opinions...but my opinion has a dwindling player base backing it up...and the other opinion has...uhh...what does it have exactly?

I would like to see these statistics claiming how player base is dwindling. From what I understand, populations have been up from normal on many servers. Even on my own server, I've noticed an increase in player activity. However, as this is just an eyeball account, I will not present it as an absolute statistic.

Your statistics are coming from...where again?

It wouldn't surprise me if you're the same kind of person that claims so adamantly that "50%" of the player base is going to leave when subscription fees hit.