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  1. 07-07-2017 12:16 AM #1
    Jonnycbad
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    Shadow Flare - Shorten recast timer to 30 seconds
    Full uptime? Not gonna happen.

    Excogitation - Increase potency from 650 up to 800, remove the duration timer
    Agreed on the first part but not the infinite duration. I dont want the new Savage meta. to be a 3 minute prepull for 3 cooldowns of Aetherflow so the SCH can Excog everyone in the party before a pull.

    Embrace - Return potency to 300
    They nerfed Embrace because 2.x and 3.x SCH were pretty strong and could DPS nearly fulltime while relying on fairy for heals in dungeons.

    Fey Illumination (Eos) - Return potency to 20 %
    They gave us Largesse, a 20% healing potency buff with a shorter recast than Fey Illumination, so in return they nerfed Illumination. Having both at full power is overpowered.
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  2. 07-07-2017 12:36 AM
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    supporting new idea now.
  3. 07-07-2017 12:43 AM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lildragora View Post
    I like what you mentioned but in addition..

    I would like to see Succor and Adlo be brought up in shield potency, 200% for both. Reason being, in Noctural Stance a AST gets a 15% healing buff. With that their AOE Aspected Helios is a 150 potency, 150% shield with the 15% bonus the shield should be around a 258 potency shield where the SCH would provide a 150 potency 200% shield for an effective shield potency of 300. Aspected Benefic is a 200 potency spell at 250% shield giving it an effective 575 potency shield, where SCH would have a 600 potency shield 300 at 200%. The fact that AST shields better should be addressed. Even then the MP costs should be brought down a bit considering AST spell costs and how Succor costs what a Cure III does which is a 550 potency heal.
    I think that's a great idea.
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  4. 07-07-2017 12:41 AM #4
    Scox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Agreed on the first part but not the infinite duration. I dont want the new Savage meta. to be a 3 minute prepull for 3 cooldowns of Aetherflow so the SCH can Excog everyone in the party before a pull.
    Then at least increase the duration, as it is now, especially in 8 man content with a co-healer keeping the tank above 50%, excog falls off before it is activated.
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  5. 07-07-2017 12:41 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Full uptime? Not gonna happen.



    Agreed on the first part but not the infinite duration. I dont want the new Savage meta. to be a 3 minute prepull for 3 cooldowns of Aetherflow so the SCH can Excog everyone in the party before a pull.


    They nerfed Embrace because 2.x and 3.x SCH were pretty strong and could DPS nearly fulltime while relying on fairy for heals in dungeons.



    They gave us Largesse, a 20% healing potency buff with a shorter recast than Fey Illumination, so in return they nerfed Illumination. Having both at full power is overpowered.
    - Shadow Flare's duration si 15sec.

    - No one sane would do that.

    - They already nerfed DPS and reworked Cleric Stance to prevent SCH from going full DPS.

    - Largess and Fey Illumination doesn't work the same way. Fey Illumination increase healing recieved, Largess increase speels you cats (wich means physic, addlo and succor).
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  6. 07-07-2017 12:45 AM #6
    Riyshn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    Full uptime? Not gonna happen.
    50% uptime, actually, up from it's current 25%. When they put it on a CD, they also reduced it's duration to 15sec.

    Agreed on the first part but not the infinite duration. I dont want the new Savage meta. to be a 3 minute prepull for 3 cooldowns of Aetherflow so the SCH can Excog everyone in the party before a pull.
    Agreed, though it would be simple enough to say that Excog can only be on one person at a time. I've seen another idea I like that if the buff times out, it grants a shield instead of a heal. If they implimented that, I would actually prefer they didn't increast the potency, because that actually makes it a decision of "do I want the safety heal, or do I want to maintain it to get a large shield for an upcoming mechanic?" For example, a planned psudo-critlo Deploy.

    They nerfed Embrace because 2.x and 3.x SCH were pretty strong and could DPS nearly fulltime while relying on fairy for heals in dungeons.
    And that was only a problem because of Cleric Stance. With that removed, WHM/AST can actually DPS through an entire dungeon even better, because Regens effectively have infinite uptime and oGCD heals can just be popped in between DPS spells at no loss.

    They gave us Largesse, a 20% healing potency buff with a shorter recast than Fey Illumination, so in return they nerfed Illumination. Having both at full power is overpowered.
    [insert rant about Healer role skills here]
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