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    ChloeGrace's Avatar
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    Chloe Grace
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    Cactuar
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    Bard Lv 80

    Normal Raid loot system: too much RNG

    Four drops for 8 people. Usually 2 of the 4 are junk that nobody wants, sometimes 3.
    Law of averages says we'd need 4 runs to get one token. Sometimes it takes a lot more than that, depending on how many lalas were sacrificed to RNGesus unlucky you are with rolls. I've had weeks where it took well over 20 runs to get a drop, while others take only one or two.

    It's not that difficult to implement a token system with fixed rewards. You need to do X number of runs to obtain Y tokens, that can be used to purchase the piece of gear you want.

    Predictable. Reliable. Players like it that way.
    There is too much variation in the amount of effort required.
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    Read Faelynn
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    You mean you don't like potentially having to run each floor 20 times a week to get what you need?
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    The RNG is the price of being able to run the content as many times per week as you'd like. Savage has token guarantees because it can only be run (for max rewards) once per week.


    PS. Let's please never predicate any game argument on "the law of averages". If the probability is not p≤0% or p≥100%, there are no guarantees.
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    Last edited by Rongway; 07-07-2017 at 10:23 AM.
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    The probability is much higher if you need on everything available.

    Stopped caring about weekly lockout loot ever since LotA came out for a few weeks.
    in 2 weeks, there will be better tome gear available, which will just replace this stuff if youre not raiding hardcore. And even if you are raiding youll still replace/supplement some of this stuff for better tome gear. Let the 4 weeks for pants and body piece sink in, when it takes 2 weeks to get a tome one at higher i level.
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    Last edited by ADVSS; 07-07-2017 at 10:30 AM.

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    Viese Blanchimont
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    Ultros
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    The token system is awful. They should just switch to actual gear drops like they do with the other 24 main raids.
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Blanchimont View Post
    The token system is awful. They should just switch to actual gear drops like they do with the other 24 main raids.
    so your team full of casters gets met with 4 pieces of aiming gear
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    Wolftamer Little
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    Hyperion
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    so your team full of casters gets met with 4 pieces of aiming gear
    It can be like the old days! Run Dynamis for 3.5 hours and get 8 BST, 5 DRG, and 1 COR piece
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    RitsukoSonoda's Avatar
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    Ritsuko Sonoda
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    Ultros
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolftamer View Post
    It can be like the old days! Run Dynamis for 3.5 hours and get 8 BST, 5 DRG, and 1 COR piece
    And make someone pay 1 mil for the entry item every run while we're at it! :3c
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    Viese Blanchimont
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    so your team full of casters gets met with 4 pieces of aiming gear
    Still better than waiting 4 weeks to get 1 piece of equipment.
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    Rasylia S'ial
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    Cerberus
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Blanchimont View Post
    Still better than waiting 4 weeks to get 1 piece of equipment.
    The new system is just like the old system, except that now you dont get the loot directly, but can actually exchange it for the loot you specifically need.
    The old system was direct loot drops, which was way worse in terms of randomness.

    It took me Months to see a tank item drop in old coil, while bards and heals were fully equipped allready...
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