Tanks that think they are DPS, just stop...

[Campi]

Tanks that do only 1-2-3 in Tank-Stance, just stop...

[aqskerorokero]

OMG....I have to log in to respond to this one.....As an aggressive tank, you think you are "pro" because you can dps stance while using properly cooldowns to stay alive enough when outputting maximum dps. Well, you know what? You are NOT! You can play like this only because you HAVE A HEALER THAT IS GOOD FOR REAL and NOT busy to healer other real dpses in the party. And PRAY for a healer that mainly focus on healing.......

[Baci]

OMG....I have to log in to respond to this one.....As an aggressive tank, you think you are "pro" because you can dps stance while using properly cooldowns to stay alive enough when outputting maximum dps. Well, you know what? You are NOT! You can play like this only because you HAVE A HEALER THAT IS GOOD FOR REAL and NOT busy to healer other real dpses in the party. And PRAY for a healer that mainly focus on healing.......

No

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[Cevoh]

OMG....I have to log in to respond to this one.....As an aggressive tank, you think you are "pro" because you can dps stance while using properly cooldowns to stay alive enough when outputting maximum dps. Well, you know what? You are NOT! You can play like this only because you HAVE A HEALER THAT IS GOOD FOR REAL and NOT busy to healer other real dpses in the party. And PRAY for a healer that mainly focus on healing.......

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. I can't go offensive tanking unless I have a good healer I can trust? Well no shit, I trust my static healer and others that I know. Being a good tank is about gauging the capabilities of your party not just your own.

My healers acknowledge and know I'm going to be stance dancing or straight up DPS stance and they are more then happy to keep me up WHILE also dpsing them self. So... what's your point?

[Voormund]

Aggro is something the whole party should focus on, not just the tank, and conversely DPS is also something the whole party should focus on not just the dedicated DD's. If you are ignoring your responsibility as a tank of maintaining enough enmity to safely DPS that is one thing, but if DPS are nuking everything in sight ignoring aggro-reduction abilities and not using their brains as to when they need to back off - that is another. With that said if you are safely ahead on the threat meter and just standing there continuing to pour on enmity instead of helping do more damage - it doesn't make any sense. As someone who played WoW through the years where tanks focused more on damage reduction and higher threat than damage (the dark days of trying to make a Paladin uncritable - one missed Holy Shield could kill you and you always focused on mitigation first) and then seeing the game transition to tanks doing crazy amounts of damage - in tank stance no less - was a weird change.

That's just the way it works in this game, I mean not for nothing I'm more of a traditionalist also and not crazy about the idea that I've also got to try to manage putting out the most damage I can while still managing my damage reduction CD's and making sure I'm keeping threat and moving the boss where it needs to be - but that's what tanking is in this game. If that doesn't sound like fun to you I would just change to another class type or not play the game. That's not me being snarky or smarmy, that's just me saying I don't think the dynamic of tanking in this game is going to change anytime soon and if you don't like what it currently is you are probably not going to have fun tanking in this game. It's going to be expected of you to know when you can help out with damage and to help out as much as possible. Doesn't do any good to get mad at the tanks who have accepted this - get mad at the devs for designing the game that way.

[Chronons]

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GO BACK TO THE HEALER SECTION

[Oxino]

I don't understand why people are fighting about offensive or defensive tanking.
The healer and dps reaction will define how you can help them. If they decide you are just an enmity sponge, then so be it. If the healer seem bored go for max dps, nobody will blame you.
You can switch stuff inside dungeon too.

[aqskerorokero]

MY MAN, a good tank is defined by the party, not tank's personal ablity, if the party is tunnel visioning their dps at maximum you can't even leave tank stance, if you feel you have to do maximum dps as a tank, or the fight is extremely easy or your team is bad at dps...

[RLofOBFL]

MY MAN, a good tank is defined by the party, not tank's personal ablity, if the party is tunnel visioning their dps at maximum you can't even leave tank stance, if you feel you have to do maximum dps as a tank, or the fight is extremely easy or your team is bad at dps...

Lucid Dream? Refresh? Diversion? Shirk? Shadewalker?

I'm sure the speed kill parties with tanks that start in DPS stance have bad dps. /s

Actually even without aggro control, you can get away with one(maybe two) Halone combos and just swap to SO as long your ilvl is on par or higher than the DPS's.

[shao32]

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as long both options exist ppl go to be fighting, technically defensive tanking is the standar one and the intented desing, but yeah we have radicals how take the defensive tanking to the extreme of only doing emity combos on tank stance with is complety wrong, a tank need to use all they tool kit.

agresive tanking is the most controversial one, they radicals here are extreme rude and claim tanking in dps stance is the only true way and if you dont do it you are bad, funny bcs tank stance its just a pasive buff/debuff most that another thing, and the normal ones how defend stance dancing depending of the situation but giving priority to be off tank stance if you can.

this is something like the old cleric stance problem, but the problem of tanks depend most of stats and pasive buffs that player skills, most of defensive tanks use all they skill set but dont like how whe have to sacrifice our pasive defense for extra damage making us feel less tanky and add more stress on other jobs when tanking means make everybody llife more easy.