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    Quote Originally Posted by Underlord View Post
    And yet I run dngs as my healer, and have been told not to dps or i simply can't, cause tanks pull everything in one shot. Kinda hard to dps, when tanks pull 5 groups of mobs, and melt like butter in the process. Lol
    Thats exactly what tanks do since healers dont want to dps, since they just end up standing there doing nothing.

    You sound like you want to dps though, but the tank probably already ran into too many no dps healers that they dont care. This is like the 100th anti dps threads in this forums past, so yeah
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    Communicating with your group will definitely help the group in dungeons, if people have issues with that then tell them that it's not worth running the dungeon with them and just leave.
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    In casual content (everything you pug int his game) is ok to not dps as a healer, but as soon you join a midcore/hardcore static or Fc, they will expect you to do your job at maximum
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    What is it with this role obsession?

    The objective of every player in the party is the same: to kill the boss in the shortest possible time. Until SE introduces bosses that you can heal to death, that means optimising dps. To the extent a tank or healer's resources are not needed to keep the party alive, they are spent on damage. I know I shouldn't even be posting this, but these threads are such compelling cases of siwoti.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuk9 View Post
    In casual content (everything you pug int his game) is ok to not dps as a healer, but as soon you join a midcore/hardcore static or Fc, they will expect you to do your job at maximum
    but what if you wanted to have a little bit of and let some people in on the joke of your midcore/hardcore static like some youtubers like DrakGamestein?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuk9 View Post
    In casual content (everything you pug int his game) is ok to not dps as a healer
    No it's not (as long as the party and run is otherwise standard and extensive healing isn't constantly required). Healers and tanks are expected to actively participate just like their other party members. And since healing alone doesn't keep you as active as your team mates, you're expected to contribute with DPS as well. Especially now that you don't even have to swap in to cleric stance for it. Similarly, tanks are expected to do more than spam Flash and 1-2-3 in tank stance over and over and over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune_Cookie View Post
    What is it with this role obsession?
    This x1000000000000. No one cares what your role is called or what colour icon you have, they care about what you can do to help your group, and if you're willing to do that or not.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    but what if you wanted to have a little bit of and let some people in on the joke of your midcore/hardcore static like some youtubers like DrakGamestein?
    thats the static's problem. any pug for savage content that takes itself seriously WILL expect people to play to their best. your arguments against players putting effort make as much sense as condoning people doing content withouy job crystals or something. "i can heal as conjurer!! i can keep aggro as marauder!! hurgh!!!"
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    Because this topic totally hasn't been argued ad nauseum and totally needed another thread about it.
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    Tanks heal. Healers dps. DPS tanks. Come on, people. Get with the program!

    Why not? I mean, hey it's like the police should be the fire department, fire department should be construction, and construction should be the police!
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune_Cookie View Post
    What is it with this role obsession?

    The objective of every player in the party is the same: to kill the boss in the shortest possible time. Until SE introduces bosses that you can heal to death, that means optimising dps. To the extent a tank or healer's resources are not needed to keep the party alive, they are spent on damage. I know I shouldn't even be posting this, but these threads are such compelling cases of siwoti.
    Yeah this is why I wish the trinity was a bit looser, but apparently they want the lines to be drawn much thicker in regards to trinity, and the commnity eats it all up. Any utility or skill given to a dps that doesnt damage is looked at as a fluff for flavoring, even if its quite capable tool for aiding a healer, or tank depending. Then its "tanks shouldnt deal no damage at all, just every attack should be flash because they tanks"

    I dont quite understand why people trying to improve beyond just doing the bare minimum is so despised by some group that just wants mediocrity in their party members aptitude and skill
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    Last edited by ADVSS; 07-06-2017 at 08:25 AM.

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