To the DPS META and please be reasonable with arguments

[Frowny]

DO NOT EXPECT HEALERS AND TANKS TO DPS!!! That is not their role.

Very little content requires full-time healing though. And any overheal is wasted mana in the end. So DPSing is not only to kill downtime (drives me nuts seeing a SCH fapping in a corner while the tank takes maybe 100 damage) but is more mana efficient than spamming heals.

Unless a fight is a brutal healer check, and especially with Cleric's rework, I expect healers to squeeze some DPS in. Removing stance dancing basically killed any excuse other than "not my role", which is flimsy at best.

[QooEr]

i just like how the dps argument disease has spread from only healers to tanks now. nobody has to deal damage anymore actually. in fact we dont even need to use the new skills! im pretty sure you can clear even savage content with just cure 2 and medica and with just enmity combos (wasnt there a drk that cleared a12s with just flash? we should all be like that guy)

and while we're at it, just remove all cross role skills from your dps jobs. mitigation? mp/tp recovery? as a dps i only have to do damage. not even GOOD damage. just autoattacks fam. spam armor crush. ice mages are good now

[Renkei]

I'll take two Healers that can do at least 1k+ Damage vs two healers that decide they just want to heal, Because i know that 1k DAMAGE PER SECOND they deal will result in them healing less in the long run.
Wit that Logic though, sure I'll spam my Enmity Combo and neglect the fact that Maim adds +10% and storms eye adds 20% to my rotation which in the long run contributes to the raids Ability to survive and sustain tempo vs the boss.
Oh and it also makes me contribute less Enmity overall meaning in 4 rotations I'd lose an entire rotation of enmity generation OH NO!
How is that this is an argument brought up by the same user across multiple forums when they play the class that has the highest enmity generating last attack in the game, it's already bad enough DARK KNIGHT is basically this 1-2-3 oriented more so then any of job right now, DARK ARTS THAT Power SLASH and never power slash again.

[Nezia]

DO NOT EXPECT RDMS AND MONKS TO ASSIST YOU!!! That is not their role. RDMs are the shining new toy that deals damage with a lot of style so that the boss doesn't decide to enrage and hit kill the band-aid that you are, and monks generally make sure to dance properly around the boss in order to hit their positionals and provides some group buffs to help with DPS. If like both the healers are dead and the groups is on like 10% or 5% HP expect the RDM to ress maybe 1 healer to heal the group up.

[DRKoftheAzure]

I pissed off a lot of STR accessory only tanks with my post on the tank role forums... and it is really toxic... no wonder tank balance sucks... and I'm a VIT accessory only tank.....

[ADVSS]

I pissed off a lot of STR accessory only tanks with my post on the tank role forums... and it is really toxic... no wonder tank balance sucks... and I'm a VIT accessory only tank.....

you dont get rank or points on here for your obvious troll posts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JkX-R19-NI

stop using DRK in your SN when protesting damage for tanks or healers. you insult the jobs long history

[DRKoftheAzure]

you dont get rank or points on here for your obvious troll posts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JkX-R19-NI

stop using DRK in your SN when protesting damage for tanks or healers. you insult the jobs long history

What the hell is SN and I didn't know I got points or ranks for posts....

[Esp]

I pissed off a lot of STR accessory only tanks with my post on the tank role forums... and it is really toxic... no wonder tank balance sucks... and I'm a VIT accessory only tank.....

Hell, I am still using VIT accessories, and even I think your thread is out of line.

In any encounter, once that little "A" appears over you threat meter and that guage is at a good level, your time of generating enmity should be done until called upon again. If a tank buster or high multi hit attack isn't aimed your way, you are experiencing downtime.

Even enmity caps, and if it does, you should be DPSing, using whatever your kit allows. Heck, there shouldn't be a reason to even bother with your enmity combo besides the start of an encounter if there is a OT with Shirk around. If you can't seem to deal with tanks doing damage, well..Miner and Fisher seems like a job up your alley.

Seriously, these kind of threads needs to end.

[QooEr]

I pissed off a lot of STR accessory only tanks with my post on the tank role forums... and it is really toxic... no wonder tank balance sucks... and I'm a VIT accessory only tank.....

dude nobody even mentioned STR tanks until now. you started the thread with some "tanks and healers should be bare minimum mediocre tools that only keep enmity and heal people" garbage

[DRKoftheAzure]

dude nobody even mentioned STR tanks until now. you started the thread with some "tanks and healers should be bare minimum mediocre tools that only keep enmity and heal people" garbage

Yeah I didn't think to also direct this to the STR tanks that may or may not lurk DPS forums... I made a mistake...