To the DPS META and please be reasonable with arguments

[Underlord]

And yet I run dngs as my healer, and have been told not to dps or i simply can't, cause tanks pull everything in one shot. Kinda hard to dps, when tanks pull 5 groups of mobs, and melt like butter in the process. Lol

[ADVSS]

And yet I run dngs as my healer, and have been told not to dps or i simply can't, cause tanks pull everything in one shot. Kinda hard to dps, when tanks pull 5 groups of mobs, and melt like butter in the process. Lol

Thats exactly what tanks do since healers dont want to dps, since they just end up standing there doing nothing.

You sound like you want to dps though, but the tank probably already ran into too many no dps healers that they dont care. This is like the 100th anti dps threads in this forums past, so yeah

[DRKoftheAzure]

Communicating with your group will definitely help the group in dungeons, if people have issues with that then tell them that it's not worth running the dungeon with them and just leave.

[Inuk9]

In casual content (everything you pug int his game) is ok to not dps as a healer, but as soon you join a midcore/hardcore static or Fc, they will expect you to do your job at maximum

[DRKoftheAzure]

In casual content (everything you pug int his game) is ok to not dps as a healer, but as soon you join a midcore/hardcore static or Fc, they will expect you to do your job at maximum

but what if you wanted to have a little bit of and let some people in on the joke of your midcore/hardcore static like some youtubers like DrakGamestein?

[Taika]

In casual content (everything you pug int his game) is ok to not dps as a healer

No it's not (as long as the party and run is otherwise standard and extensive healing isn't constantly required). Healers and tanks are expected to actively participate just like their other party members. And since healing alone doesn't keep you as active as your team mates, you're expected to contribute with DPS as well. Especially now that you don't even have to swap in to cleric stance for it. Similarly, tanks are expected to do more than spam Flash and 1-2-3 in tank stance over and over and over.

What is it with this role obsession?

This x1000000000000. No one cares what your role is called or what colour icon you have, they care about what you can do to help your group, and if you're willing to do that or not.

[Inuk9]

No it's not (as long as the party and run is otherwise standard and extensive healing isn't constantly required). Healers and tanks are expected to actively participate just like their other party members. And since healing alone doesn't keep you as active as your team mates, you're expected to contribute with DPS as well. Especially now that you don't even have to swap in to cleric stance for it. Similarly, tanks are expected to do more than spam Flash and 1-2-3 in tank stance over and over and over.


This x1000000000000. No one cares what your role is called or what colour icon you have, they care about what you can do to help your group, and if you're willing to do that or not.

You're wrong, you can't retaliate a healer for not dpsing. And I will say more, if you do that you can be punished by a GM for harassment.

[DRKoftheAzure]

You're wrong, you can't retaliate a healer for not dpsing. And I will say more, if you do that you can be punished by a GM for harassment.

So many questions right there... I don't even know which question to ask...

[Taika]

You're wrong, you can't retaliate a healer for not dpsing. And I will say more, if you do that you can be punished by a GM for harassment.

You can kick people for different playstyles, and this definitely falls under that.

But I won't automatically kick a healer who doesn't DPS. I will ask them nicely to participate with DPS when no one needs healing. Then if they refuse without any reason than "lol no that's not my job", I will initiate the kick (although even then I will probably first try to explain why it is their job and why it is so useful for the whole group). And I would do the same with a BRD who refuses to sing or refresh TP/MP because they're called DPS. :P

(Edit addition: If they say they really can't right at the moment because of being super nervous or having a massive headache and just trying to get through the instance or whatever, that's fine. What I can't stand is not trying to put some effort and intentionally making the rest of your party work much harder than you are.)

[Sylve]

explain why it is their job

Wait ... What? My job is to refill the blue bars in my party list.

You want me to do my own Job while also doing the job of the two individuals in the party whose express purpose is dealing damage?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, But isn't the reason for DD jobs existing is handle the DPS aspect of party play?

Basic/Standard play for Tanks is using Enmity combos to maintain enmity while utilizing various Job skills to reduce incoming damage.
Advanced play for tanks is making use of non Enmity skills and abilities to maximize damage output while maintaining mitigation and enmity.

Basic/Standard play for Healers is using the various Healing skills to keep the party alive and utilizing various Job skills to affect the party in a beneficial manner (AST card buffs, Selene speed buff etc).
Advanced play for Healers is utilizing non healing skills for dealing damage or causing more damage to be dealt to the target in general while maintaining the health of the party.

Basic/Standard play for Damage Dealers is to execute a rotation of core damaging skills to deal damage.
Advanced play for Damage Dealers is to ... Execute a rotation of core damaging skills to deal damage.


For people to boot a Healer in standard content for the crime of playing at a standard level is ridiculous.
You know what would help in getting Healers comfortable with DPSing while Healing? Not pulling entire rooms at once during the leveling process. Introduce the Healer to the concept of helping out with damage when no one needs healing.
Do it politely and give calm reasoning as to why its beneficial for them to do so. Get them into the habit of applying damage skills in an environment where a mistake wont automatically kill the party.

But that requires interaction with the party and might slow down the run from 20 minutes to 21 minutes.
And as we know, We just can't stand being in that dungeon we queued up for even one second longer than absolutely necessary as defined arbitrarily by 4 different players at once.

-_-

TL;DR, Teach people how to go the extra mile with calm instruction.

+1, no one annoys healers to just dps in a basic way. What we hate is to see someone acting like speaking on facebook or watching a movie on his second screen while others are carrying him using the argument of being healer.

This reasoning always amuses the hell out of me.
If the healer stopped performing their basic job, Your run stops dead.

So who, really, is carrying whom?