#deletejumppotion - new/returning players should read this

[HyoMinPark]

Having no shield oath in Dusk Vigil shouldn't be a problem as that was actually the reality prior to stormblood. He didn't listen, sure. Maybe he's on console and is 10 feet away from his TV idk. Whether he adapts and avoided being booted is not up to you, so you don't need to put so much responsibility on yourself.

The dungeon is Stone Vigil, which is a level 41 dungeon. Shield Oath used to be a level 40 skill, so even back then, PLDs should have had their Shield Oath before entering this dungeon, and should have been using it. Some of the mobs hit stupidly hard in Stone Vigil compared to the earlier dungeons as well, so the extra defense boost (not to mention enmity boost) would always be helpful.

Dusk Vigil is the level 51 sidequest dungeon in Heavensward. (And hopefully PLDs used their Shield Oath then as well! )

[Malzian]

Umm well I forgot to mention that his only job was pld at 60 + sprout icon. So assume he bought the jump potion. + if we consider he is a bot, shouldnt we worry about ppl abusing the pot to bot actually?

Fair, though getting a PLD to 60 in the span where you're still a sprout is really easy now with all the enhanced EXP and not needing to level CNJ to 15 as well.

Putting that aside along with the bot problem, since that is a problem and always will be, I don't see how: "New player uses jump potion" + "Jumped PLD doesn't use Shield Oath and doesn't respond" = "Jump potions are bad and should be removed"

To me that seems more like a player issue, not specifically the item issue. There are ways that could be remedied by forcing players who jump to finish some starter training before being able to play in dungeon content (annoying for people jumping alts, but small price to pay), but once again that's a player issue, not a item issue in my opinion.

[FallenArisen0990]

Had this issue in in the level 61 dungeon the tank (with the new person icon ) would not use shield path lol I was the healer And explained what it was and had the team wait five mins to help him out, I was sadly ignored and hit with a "my sub, my game play" and the dps didn't want to kick him because they already waited 40+ mins to get in there and I didn't want the penalty for leaving :/ I still have no clue how we completed it but the dps were getting smashed lol

That's when I would've stop healing. That type of attitude is something I will not tolerate. I'm open to helping people but when you disregard the bases of your Job, I have zero tolerance.

[Annah]

he may be on a PS4 without a keyboard

[Eclipsed]

It isn't like going through the job questline, or even leveling for that matter actually teaches anyone how to play a particular class... This problem existed way before jump potions existed... In ARR when those huge roaming fate parties used to be everywhere, you could hit one skill and afk your way to 50 and the same situation existed.

[Synrin]

This tilts me so bad. And triggers me too. These boosted guys painfully, obviously, have no clue about basic mechanics (stack, spread, run away, get close). They don't listen either. Jump potions (boosts) have brought no good, no matter the game (cough, WoW, cough).

I'm disappointed that they haven't gated the end game content more for those who boosted their first jobs. Without having done the content.

[Skivvy]

This bot talk is amusing. DF turns us all into glorified NPCs, and it seems a lot of people don't tend to feel the need to communicate or show basic civility. This doesn't mean that they are bots. Bad players will always exist, and all you can do it toss out little tips here and there and hope that maybe they will think about it on their end. Don't try to browbeat people in a dungeon and get them to acknowledge your superior knowledge.

[JunseiKei]

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...And how do you know this person used a jump potion? We certainly can't from the screenshots. As far as I can concerned, you just encountered one of the many types of bad players.

The other day, I did Cutter's Cry for mentor roulette. The BLM only used Blizzard and Thunder II. I said something along the lines of, "Hey there. I see you're having trouble playing BLM correctly. What you want to do is use Fire until you're out of MP, then transpose into umbral ice until your MP is full and transpose back. You do this until you reach Fire III and Blizzard III- which allow you to switch back and forth from astral fire and umbral ice without the use of transpose." Never got a response, but instead they started to use drain. At this point, the rest of the party caught on after we downed the first boss. After the loot was dropped (made us wait for the entire timer), we voted kicked them. The person must have caught on what we were waiting on and tried to pull mobs (I stayed in the boss chamber 'cause no one's going to run off if the healer is in another zone), but it was too late.

They got kicked. Thing is, looking at their search info and viewing them, they had a level 60 tank and healer with a level 41 BLM and 22 PUG . While they might have jump potioned one, they didn't for the other (tank or healer) and certainly didn't for the ones under 50. They were just a bad player or simply trolling, because people do that. For some reason.

It's really easy to see who has used a jump potion: they're wearing full shire (unupgraded) with 1 HQ crafted accessory ('cause I boosted my ALT and my husband boosted his own ALT- this is the gear given to jobs). If they haven't touched their gear, this is what they will be wearing. However, from just the main post, it just looks like a complaint while tacking it on as the fault of jump potions to push an agenda.

[RyuujinZERO]

This bot talk is amusing. DF turns us all into glorified NPCs, and it seems a lot of people don't tend to feel the need to communicate or show basic civility. This doesn't mean that they are bots.

This is true, this one time way back, we had this tank in manor that was just AWFUL; like, beyond awful, rolling your face on the keyboard should've gotten better results; walking right up into groups enemies faces attacking them with his sword, never flashing, never waiting. When enemies aggro onto players he'd ignore it and focus his targets 1 at a time, standing in AoE

We kept trying to politely tell him how to do the dungeon, he'd ignore us and keep resolutely marching forth. By the end were were CONVINCED this guy had to be a bot; no human could be this dense and started discussing it aloud by the time we reached the second boss. He got to the final boss room, turned around and said "im not a bot" and bailed on us.

...we were to say the least completely miffed.

[Malzian]

This bot talk is amusing. DF turns us all into glorified NPCs, and it seems a lot of people don't tend to feel the need to communicate or show basic civility. This doesn't mean that they are bots. Bad players will always exist, and all you can do it toss out little tips here and there and hope that maybe they will think about it on their end. Don't try to browbeat people in a dungeon and get them to acknowledge your superior knowledge.

It doesn't mean they are, no, but make no mistake... There ARE bots in the game that run dungeons, have been for a long while. Can we prove one way or another? No, but that just means one is as likely as the other and it bears pointing out that it could be the case as well.