Community coordinated feedback on Tenacity

[Renkei]

I found the stat weight to be .169 compared to 1 point of strength, Meaning 80 Tenacity is Equal to 13.52 Strength Bonus. While 80 DET is equal to 27.04 Weighting it based on ARR Nerfs at 0.338.
As for Damage Mitigation , I haven't a clue, Be we can assume that, i'd be set at half of the damage dealt.

So that means 80 Tenacity would be equal to 13.52 Str and 6.67 Armor Bonus giving it a stat weight of .253(5)
Honestly at that rate, I kinda see what they were doing, But it still forces the stat into gear where it Doesn't need to be, as Mitigation should be used as much as possible when you main tank that's for sure, but for off tank roles were it's not the primary concern, It's Not the best thing to take with you.
I think SE Forgot there is two tanks in the Party, but haven't recognized that party's aren't always designed around making mistakes.

Honestly even if it WERE overpowered, Only 1 tank in the group would take it over offensive Options, think about that really quickly.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Honestly at that rate, I kinda see what they were doing, But it still forces the stat into gear where it Doesn't need to be, as Mitigation should be used as much as possible when you main tank that's for sure, but for off tank roles were it's not the primary concern, It's Not the best thing to take with you.
I think SE Forgot there is two tanks in the Party, but haven't recognized that party's aren't always designed around making mistakes.

Honestly even if it WERE overpowered, Only 1 tank in the group would take it over offensive Options, think about that really quickly.

WAR tank stance only boosts HP so they would need tenacity.

[SethVortu]

Know what would solve all this? If square took their heads out their asses and made the stats transparent like in WoW. 1068 tenacity means nothing to me. The same amount of versatility in WoW would tell me the exact % of + damage out and - damage in. Same goes for all the side stats. But for some, no good, reason everything's damn well opaque.

[Lildragora]

Know what would solve all this? If square took their heads out their asses and made the stats transparent like in WoW. 1068 tenacity means nothing to me. The same amount of versatility in WoW would tell me the exact % of + damage out and - damage in. Same goes for all the side stats. But for some, no good, reason everything's damn well opaque.

This isn't just a problem with attribute bonuses imo.

[eagledorf]

Right now I believe the numbers people are throwing around are something like 150 DH/1% DPS gain, 180 DET/1% DPS gain, and 200-250 TEN/1% DPS gain.

Tenacity is a bit weak because half it's benefit does nothing while you're OTing, but it's actually not total garbage. It should perhaps have its DPS benefit buffed very slightly for that reason, but it's possible it's already comparable to SkS on PLD as I haven't seen the numbers for that yet (SkS now buffs AA, but it still does nothing for HS spam).

[Eliroth-Kaminari]

U forgot skills peed

[Renkei]

WAR tank stance only boosts HP so they would need tenacity.

Yeah because at the end of the day 66.7 armor bonus is going to save me over the extra 6k healed per Equilibrium /s

[aqskerorokero]

Yes, at the end of the day you won't take only 6k damage, you take I guess hundreds of hits during a single fight yes? every single attack be mitigated by those 66 armor bonus yes?

[Poison_Rose]

This isn't just a problem with attribute bonuses imo.

Agreed. If Inner Beast only returns 90% HP at level 70, that's fine - but I'd rather see 90% on the tooltip than "a portion".

On-topic, it doesn't make any sense for the benefits of the tank secondary stat to be so low, especially if SE insists on putting it on as much tanking gear as they are.

[Kosmos992k]

Right now I believe the numbers people are throwing around are something like 150 DH/1% DPS gain, 180 DET/1% DPS gain, and 200-250 TEN/1% DPS gain.

Tenacity is a bit weak because half it's benefit does nothing while you're OTing, but it's actually not total garbage. It should perhaps have its DPS benefit buffed very slightly for that reason, but it's possible it's already comparable to SkS on PLD as I haven't seen the numbers for that yet (SkS now buffs AA, but it still does nothing for HS spam).

I get what you are saying, but you're comparing the impact of secondary stats to the impact of our exclusive role specific stat. Ultimately, tenacity is weaker, when my internal logic suggests that the tank specific role stat should be stronger than secondaries.