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    VTgamer's Avatar
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    New Tank, Frustrated

    Hey all,

    New guy here... Not new to MMORPG's or FF14, but new to tanking. I wanted to tank because there just don't seem to be enough of them. Right now I am seriously reconsidering this decision. I don't mind a learning curve, but I don't really have a chance to learn anything because of the way dungeon finder works. I seem to always get max level players who face roll the entire dungeon while I pretty much run along and do my best not to be completely useless.

    Don't get me wrong, an easy run is great, but how am I going to learn to be a good tank if I don't ever get a chance to be a tank?

    Can anyone tell me when I might actually start having to tank? Tips and pointers on tanking also appreciated.
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    Legion88's Avatar
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    Baradaeg Ryssbhirwyn
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    Lich
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    Warrior Lv 80
    At Level 30 with Tankstance you should be able to properly tank. Before it is mostly just fighting for hate and hoping you win...
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    Drudwyn Alphus
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    Shiva
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    Good morning fellow facer-of-foes! So, learning by doing is of course the best route. As you go through the early dungeons, and you start making your way to the story mode primals, you should start to get a feel of how your CDs, your skills, and especially your enmity combos work. You won't get a full glimpse until 50, then 60, then 70, of what your class can do, but you can begin to understand the nuances, even if you're being carried by speed running rouletters.

    Now, to learn your class properly as you go, or the fun of learning dungeons, you're going to have to go towards Party Finder, or have the fortune to find a suitable Free Company who can assist with challenges such as a min. ilvl. run, which is always a fun way to do things.

    Don't give up! While there's some heated tempers right now, tanking is fun, and you get to see fights from a very different angle to anyone else. Being the meat shield, while pushing your DPS as far as it'll go, learning the timings, and getting that extra hit in, all while preventing your healer from tearing their hair out, and allowing your DPS to push as far as they'll go, is an art form, and most of us are yet to get it right, especially in this new world.

    So, FC, or PF, is your best bet, or just ask people in DF for assistance, to slow down, to explain, to help, and to allow you to learn. You'll be surprised how nice the majority of people are!
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    its a actually a good thing that you have OP party, it means that you are doing great keeping the aggro despite the fact that they have overpowering damage.
    as long the dungeon is scaled, you and your party will have similar item value, nothing wrong with it...

    the thing that it feel easy because of your party member experience they already know it, how to make it fast, when to hit hard, when to avoid, its not the item or the level, its the experience.
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    Jenova
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Early dungeons are easy to make sure tanks and healers who are just starting are able to cope with it.

    For example, as someone who had only ever played a tank, I always wondered how hard it was to heal. So I made an Astrologian to see. They start at level 30. I went to do some level 30 dungeons with that, and was appalled at how I BARELY EVER had to heal my tank. It seemed to easy. But I know later on how tough things get for healers.

    So don't worry. Things will start to get more challenging and you'll feel a lot more useful to your party later on.
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    VTgamer's Avatar
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    Thank you everyone for you responses. I feel a bit better about things. Is there a good tanking resource I can look into? I know when I was big into WoW there were tons of places you could go to refine your skills. I know a lot of stuff is self explanatory but learning the ins and outs is always a thing I look to do.
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    Eira Landale
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VTgamer View Post
    Is there a good tanking resource I can look into?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/enmity
    This should give you a general idea on what you should do to keep hold of things. The self buffing thing is one of the bigger offenders on people pulling things early on; You hit one thing with Shield Lob/Tomahawk/Unmend, before you can get in range to Flash/Overpower/Unleash someone popped something and already took threat on the things that just pulled as part of the group. The other being you leaving any sort of Regen on you after the previous pull. Once you've actually had the chance to hit things, it's much harder for them to be taken from you as long as you don't ignore them.
    Enmity side of tanking aside, defensively until you outgear the content and/or have a healer you can trust keeping in your tank stance rather than dps stance will go a long way toward your survival. On the cooldown side of things, it's better to spread them out a bit rather than to stack them outside of a few unique situations. You can also try getting your DPS and healers to use Feint, Palisade, Addle, Apocatastasis, Eye for an Eye, and any Job specific utility they've been given.
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    Last edited by EusisLandale; 07-05-2017 at 12:14 AM.

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    Nana Hya
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    Moogle
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    It is true that up to lvl 30 aggro might be a little problem, especially with synced max lvl player. It is a little boring, but now that you're through those first 30 levels it's going to be lots of fun.
    Also dps could use diversion, switch target or hit the right target... it is not always the tank that is failing !
    Play the other jobs to learn from them : it'll help you tank better, and also understand who's doing it right and who's doing it wrong.

    There's also the fact that people been doing those dungeons over and over, hence the speedrun atmosphere - after you'll get the feel of each of them after a few run, you'll easily run ahead of everybody

    I'll also link these... they might be a little old, but still relevant overall :
    https://i.imgur.com/CKPkwmk.png?1
    http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...949226bd54.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/scjYTMr.png
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    Nosam Kin
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Stick with it - it gets better! Some things I have done:

    * Go to the "sprout house" and take the lessons!
    * go into a lower level dungeon unsynced either alone or with a friend. No one runs past you now Good practice.
    * POTD : some recommend this. I always forget about it.
    * Use Party Find (PF) instead of Duty Finder (DF). Join a party or start one. People are usually more descriptive about who they are looking for and what type of run it will be.
    * tell people you're new on the way in.
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    eagledorf's Avatar
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    Jugem Mumei
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 37
    FYI they basically doubled hate just now so you should find that much easier.

    First of all, do the GLD and MRD job quests as they teach many of the basics of tanking in FFXIV.

    Second, it's counter-intuitive, but Flash/Overpower is your max hate/GCD until you get Halone/Butcher's Block, not your actual hate combo. Spam it at low levels if you're falling behind on hate. It's ok to mark kill orders if you are running dry and need to switch to single target.

    Also, don't panic if a DPS rips hate, just Provoke and move on. They won't die in the low level dungeons even if they get hit a few times.

    The main other trick new tanks often miss is that you should bring melee mobs to the ranged mob or the healer will rip the ranged mob off of you. By bringing everything together you can make sure your AoE hate skill hits everything. If you can't do this, you can also run behind a wall or something and the ranged mob will come to you to attack. Later on doing this will let your DPS AoE more efficiently.
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    Last edited by eagledorf; 07-04-2017 at 08:34 PM.

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