solution for VIT vs STR tank issue

[RubenSnizzle]

if they dont do anything to scale enmity/damage done, in your fending accessories, good luck holding hate by 4.4, while dps and healers main stat keeps going up via the right side gear. Ifyou dont think this will matter, how much more damage are tanks getting with level 60 accessories?

By 4.4, i'll have a 4.4 weapon. Im full VIT and i don't lose aggro on any content that i have done so far. Only way i can see people losing aggro is if they don't know how to open a battle or handle 3+ mob, which is their own fault for not asking tanking advice from people or searching for it, instead of complaining on forums about something that's working as intended.


The issue is the player.

[Ameela]

By 4.4, i'll have a 4.4 weapon. Im full VIT and i don't lose aggro on any content that i have done so far. Only way i can see people losing aggro is if they don't know how to open a battle or handle 3+ mob, which is their own fault for not asking tanking advice from people or searching for it, instead of complaining on forums about something that's working as intended.


The issue is the player.

The "issue" is that tanks want to do more damage. Full stop.
The only reason this aggro thing even started is because part of the community is extremely toxic towards tank (and healer) DPS, so tanks need to come up with an excuse like "oh less damage means I can't keep aggro that well" when in reality all tanks want is to do more damage than they did with considerable less effort 10 levels and one expansion ago.

[Kazrah]

I feel like this is part of SE's plan to demolish the mass pull meta.

Pretty much this. Same reason why mobs hit considerably harder this time around. Problem there though is that if this is what SE really wants, then they need to make a proper statement about it and specifically tell people "don't try to mass pull" since players won't learn otherwise.

As for the solution posed by the OP, I think it's important to remember that there was a reason why tanks were switched back to STR for a damage stat. The issue from this has been decreased enmity despite being partially relieved by directly increasing the enmity caused by select skills, but this is something they'd have to do every single patch in order to keep up, making threat generation pointless at nearly all lower levels.

The proper solution then would be something that increases enmity, but not increase damage as to follow the likely mentality of the devs. The easiest routes then would be either to make VIT increase the amount of enmity generated from skills, either all or just the skills which specifically have increased enmity modifiers or to buff tank stances to increase enmity generated based on VIT. The end result of either one would be an adequately scalable and reliable system for enmity generation while making sure tanks aren't making dps players feel pointless.

[Paladinleeds]

The proper solution then would be something that increases enmity, but not increase damage as to follow the likely mentality of the devs. The easiest routes then would be {snip} to buff tank stances to increase enmity generated based on VIT. The end result of either one would be an adequately scalable and reliable system for enmity generation while making sure tanks aren't making dps players feel pointless.

I think this is the better idea for SE's philsophy as it would also then force players to stick to tank stance for enmity, which seems to be another thing they want.

[YitharV2]

The "issue" is that tanks want to do more damage. Full stop.
The only reason this aggro thing even started is because part of the community is extremely toxic towards tank (and healer) DPS, so tanks need to come up with an excuse like "oh less damage means I can't keep aggro that well" when in reality all tanks want is to do more damage than they did with considerable less effort 10 levels and one expansion ago.

Well to be fair even the JP community was saying that aggro would be a problem. See my comment here.

Aggro was an issue while maximizing DPS though so it wasn't entirely an excuse. It was true to an extent.

From here:

It could be harder to hold enmity for a good tank, though. The way tank AP scales right now has DPS pulling ahead in scaling. In current AP ratios, left unchecked, DPS would have been ridiculously ahead of tanks. WAR/NIN shenanigans are the only reason enmity is currently a non issue while maximizing dps, not because of Tank AP on gear being decent.

I mean, yeah, I could sit in tank stance spamming Butcher's all day and never lose hate, but that's not good play.

For me personally, I just like using my full kit. I don't care about the AP nerf in terms of actual DPS ceiling, because I'm not hitting 3k anyways.

But I do agree a portion of the community is very toxic towards tank and healer DPS.