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    solution for VIT vs STR tank issue

    this image was made available ealyer on FB group.



    As a solution for the above, i have a simple solution that SE can implement. 2 steps :

    step 1: make tank use disciple of war accessories, remove VIT accessories from the game
    step 2: increase VIT scaling on the left side armors for tanks, to accommodate any VIT losses

    If the above makes Tanks too strong DPS, SE can still tune with modifying their potency or weapon dmg modifiers.
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    Or, y'know, just put some strength on fending accessories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syfurion View Post
    Or, y'know, just put some strength on fending accessories.
    Or give Tenacity a role in tank damage that is meaningful, it is our role specific stat after all. That way VIT scaling isn't an issue and our gear is already dripping with Tenacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Or give Tenacity a role in tank damage that is meaningful, it is our role specific stat after all. That way VIT scaling isn't an issue and our gear is already dripping with Tenacity.
    I wouldn't be opposed to this. However, realize that secondary stats have always had a lower stat weight than main stats. So while it's possible, I don't see that as happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YitharV2 View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to this. However, realize that secondary stats have always had a lower stat weight than main stats. So while it's possible, I don't see that as happening.
    I understand that, and I agree about secondary stats. My problem is that it's escribed as a role specific stat and in ways is shown as equivalent to tanks as Piety to healers. Piety was always a primary stat.

    It's just that they have stated clearly that VIT isn't going to be part of the damage calculation due to HP scaling issues or whatever, yet we need something to counterbalance STR in the base calculation. There are already Direct Hit, Critical Hit and Determination that impact our damage as secondaries. That's why I lean towards making use of Tenacity. That and the fact that they added it and specifically gave it influence over core elements of being a tank - and somehow screwed up the scaling so that the impact is actually near negligible. I don't think we should continue to see role stats as secondaries, but if they are role stats, then they should have significant impact.
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    This would be a nonissue if they allowed overmelding on accessories ONLY to accommodate STR melds. Overmelding % chance needs to not be so ridiculous though. No one wants to go through str melds on all accessories at 20% chance or lower... Minimum cap should be in order 100% chance for first 2, 80% chance for 3rd meld 60% chance for 4th meld, and 50% chance for final meld.

    Heaven forbid they make crafters useful again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycow8me View Post
    This would be a nonissue if they allowed overmelding on accessories ONLY to accommodate STR melds. Overmelding % chance needs to not be so ridiculous though. No one wants to go through str melds on all accessories at 20% chance or lower... Minimum cap should be in order 100% chance for first 2, 80% chance for 3rd meld 60% chance for 4th meld, and 50% chance for final meld.

    Heaven forbid they make crafters useful again.
    So you wanna force every tank to pay millions of gil to get STR? Why not just bring back HW VIT?..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medicine View Post
    So you wanna force every tank to pay millions of gil to get STR? Why not just bring back HW VIT?..
    Materia is very easy to get, don't even start with that crap. Even VI materia is easy to get right now with seals/dungeons/cracked clustors. With a much higher Meld chance, overmelding is not an issue. Overmelds have always been a great if you have it, not a big deal if you dont.

    I don't know why they wont bring it back but I'm not SE.
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    Last edited by Mycow8me; 07-06-2017 at 02:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycow8me View Post
    I don't know why they wont bring it back but I'm not SE.
    If you can overmeld a main stat what's the point of raid accessories then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YitharV2 View Post
    If you can overmeld a main stat what's the point of raid accessories then?
    I dont understand what your trying to imply with this question...
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