The Royal Menagerie (From a Healers standpoint)

[Mycow8me]

I know there's been alot of threads in related to this trial already and I'm late to the topic... There's been alot said about this fight so far and honestly I hope it doesn't get nerfed but if it does so be it... I didn't get a chance to chime in on the other threads out there because I hadn't done the trial yet due to taking the MSQ slow.

Just wanted to say that this trial is the most fun I've ever had on scholar. Literally so much damage being dished out that my entire toolkit gets used and I really feel like im being pushed to the limit, usually even have to becareful with MP and strategize it. I remember all the topics about people wanting more intense healing fights (I was one of them) and I just wanted to say that this trial delivers!

I remember seeing a few threads related to it being too hard and stuff but It really took me back to titan hardmodes release and Its just good to feel a fight like this again.

Just wanted to thank whoever designed this fight, very enjoyable!

Off topic:
Even on my war this is a fun fight. As off tank I am still constantly taking damage so sometimes switching stance to help out the healers lets me utilize my full toolkit. The only annoying aspect is the fact that we still lose beastgauge switching stance. Its a step in the right direction for off tanks.

[MirielleLavandre]

I agree -- I was dreading this trial, and when I got into my first (of two) DF pug parties for it, I was asked to main tank both even though it was my first time in [I'm PLD and the OT were WAR and then DRK]. The trial made me make use of every cool down I have and also think about proper use of things like clemency and shelltron and divine veil. It took me two DF parties to clear since the first one vote abandoned after 2 wipes, but the 2nd we pulled through with 5 minutes or so left after 3 wipes and mostly everyone new to the duty.

And yep - this fight reminded me the most of the Titan HM fight back in the ARR release days -- the only caveat being that back then I could farm for Darklight gear to give myself a better chance of survival, vs. the Menagerie where you are pretty much capped at i300 dungeon gear since the verity vendor is locked behind MSQ completion ^^

[AsahinaMyLove]

LOL! FUN...?! O-O This is the MOST frustrating and BAD designed fight EVER in this nice game! - Savage Battle in MSQ? What are they thinking? I never got SO extremly pissed and angry because of that cheap dragon, where 99% of people cant handly mechanics, even most are just recycles! >-> Not even Crap Steps of Fate's took me countless hours to try a complete! Most people cant even stay alive for DPS check round, or/and cant even press-spam the button's after that! People stay in water puddles if lighting atk coming, people NOT stay in water puddles if Fire atk comes. and so on! >_>

[bugmancer]

LOL! FUN...?! O-O This is the MOST frustrating and BAD designed fight EVER in this nice game! - Savage Battle in MSQ? What are they thinking? I never got SO extremly pissed and angry because of that cheap dragon, where 99% of people cant handly mechanics, even most are just recycles! >-> Not even Crap Steps of Fate's took me countless hours to try a complete! Most people cant even stay alive for DPS check round, or/and cant even press-spam the button's after that! People stay in water puddles if lighting atk coming, people NOT stay in water puddles if Fire atk comes. and so on! >_>

I'm sorry but I think you just got stuck with bad parties before. The fight is not that hard and if you struggle then it's on you to figure out why you're failing before blaming everyone else.

SE isn't stupid and they wouldn't put an "extreme" trial in the msq. It's laughable that you liken it to extreme in the first place.

[Avatre]

LOL! FUN...?! O-O This is the MOST frustrating and BAD designed fight EVER in this nice game! - Savage Battle in MSQ? What are they thinking? I never got SO extremly pissed and angry because of that cheap dragon, where 99% of people cant handly mechanics, even most are just recycles! >-> Not even Crap Steps of Fate's took me countless hours to try a complete! Most people cant even stay alive for DPS check round, or/and cant even press-spam the button's after that! People stay in water puddles if lighting atk coming, people NOT stay in water puddles if Fire atk comes. and so on! >_>

It seems like a LOT of people have been stuck with bad parties for this. I haven't had much trouble since the third wipe my first time. The second time(and only other time I've done it) we didn't even wipe, and one of our members had to AFK for something about 60% of the way through it. Really don't think it's savage, maybe on par with Titan EX(and even that's a stretch), but nowhere near a Savage grade battle.

As for the people not moving as they should for mechanics, possibly it's people that are new and used jump potions, or people that have always been carried by friends that have already finished stuff, or they just don't care to move because they want to get as much DPS in as possible.

[MirielleLavandre]

Asahina - we're on the same server so if you need a tank to help out I can // just send me a tell and we can try to get through it if I'm on ^^

[Bourne_Endeavor]

LOL! FUN...?! O-O This is the MOST frustrating and BAD designed fight EVER in this nice game! - Savage Battle in MSQ? What are they thinking? I never got SO extremly pissed and angry because of that cheap dragon, where 99% of people cant handly mechanics, even most are just recycles! >-> Not even Crap Steps of Fate's took me countless hours to try a complete! Most people cant even stay alive for DPS check round, or/and cant even press-spam the button's after that! People stay in water puddles if lighting atk coming, people NOT stay in water puddles if Fire atk comes. and so on! >_>

No offense, but the damage from Royal Menagerie doesn't come remotely close to what Savage dishes out. Regardless, it's supposed to be the grand finale against an incredibly powerful monster. We shouldn't be able to curb stomp him. As awesome a spectacle as Thordan was, it didn't feel like he was anything special since we rolled over him as though he were a trash mob. If more challenges like TRM existed, people would actually have to put forth an effort, which is sorely lacking in this game half the time.

[Fluffernuff]

The only thing I will admit from the other side of this... "debate" is that RM is a huge difficulty spike over the other dungeons and trials.

You actually get punished really hard for your mistakes- instant death- on something such as tidal wave. Tidal wave, only a few seconds into the fight, is far FAR from "intuitive" and something we really havent seen before. Your first time in?

"what's this water puddle outside the ring? am I supposed to run to it? is it going to explode and I stay away from i- oh, I'm dead because I got pushed off."

Diamond dust is very unforgiving and unintuitive in the same way. It isn't new persay, but just seeing "Diamond Dust" isnt going to tell you the area is frozen like it is for several seconds, and depending on if the tail has destroyed the arens, you get outright killed by diamond dust as well without much warning.

Those 2 mechanics aside, The trial doesnt throw too much at you that isnt intuitive, seen before, or even really punishing to fail... aside from maybe the add phase for tanks(the amount of times ive been slapped with death sentence even with diversion is staggering). On top of that, If RM has an enrage, Ive never seen it. The trial is very VERY forgiving in that regard.

All that said, I'm not really sure how they -could- nerf it? the major mechanics that kill everyone are due -mostly- to falling off than the incoming damage. They could lower the damage, but I'm sure RM would still have people up in arms because of tidal wave, because of diamond dust, because of the charge, because of the tornado...

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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Cleared my first time running blind with an FC mate after one wipe as SAM. Only time I died was not realizing the tail broke the floor in the second phase. Bear in mind I don't do Savage or Extremes: Still a pretty easy but fun fight.

[Katryn]

We had a fantastic group for this last night. Didn't quite get him, but got him within a fingernail's health of death on our last attempt. So damn close. I was playing solo (I usually do content with my bf) and despite not having him there to call mechanics for me since my vision is crap we worked well as a team. I mentioned I hadn't cleared before and someone ranged who had suggested I follow them. We marked the person and the only issue I had was one minor slip on a diamond dust attack. We started having someone macro /p DD for those and that ended as well. It's a shame the timer was done, we likely would have killed him.

But like the villain in those old Inspector Gadget cartoons: "I'll get you next time, [Shinryu]! Next time!"

I do feel this trial is challenging, but for me it's the fun and exciting kind of challenging.