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[kikix12]

Let me give this one my full attention.

Unfortunately, you didn't understand what I wrote, full attention or not.

First, let's not paint with broad strokes. It is entirely possible to be both competitive and compassionate. I know quite a number of PvPers in this game that are exactly that.

I said that egoistical behaviors are frequent in competitive players, not that all competitive players are like that. It's natural, it's how "competitiveness" is made. In its purest form, it is simply the drive to outdo others for your own gain. This is a fact. It is also a fact, that humans have a tendency to mix and mash stuff, so there are some people that change that pure form to include others that they consider allies. But the more competitive the player is, the rarer that becomes.

Putting that aside, let me not mince words here: there is nothing wrong with being non-competitve. There is EVERYTHING wrong with being non-competitive in a competitive environment. You don't have to care, but you do have to try.

You're mixing words. Competitiveness is not the same as being dutiful. A dutiful player will give it their all, because that's expected of them, because what they are doing affects others. A competitive player will give their all cause they just want to win, but fundamentally, nothing else matters. Sometimes not even their own fun.
A dutiful player can still give their all in a competitive environment, without the actual competitive spirit. A player that gives up halfway or sabotages the group to just have it end sooner...it's not a problem of lack of competitiveness, it's a problem of them being egoistical slackers. Two different things.

Take your lumps. But do it on your feet. Rolling over only guarantees you both lose, and learn nothing. Rolling over means you deserve nothing. Letting a team win just so you can end the match quickly and perhaps try again is pathetic, and if that sounds bad, that's because it IS.

And this proves best that you did not understand what I was trying to say.
In no way, shape or form did I condone such behavior. Quite the opposite, I pointed out how wrong it is...and that it is also present in people that are competitive. In reality, competitiveness actually does NOT mean "trying till end". There are few things that will make a player try till end that both competitive and non-competitive players can have. Being dutiful, enjoying the content, being fanatical or being petty are the ones that come to mind. All that you said makes me believe that you are dutiful...and that's exactly what I was supporting to begin with.

In the end, you are basing your post on a lot of misunderstandings. There is one archetype of what "competitive" and "non-competitive" means to you, and you assume it applies to all individual representatives of these two groups. It does not, because this is not a vacuum. There are other personality traits that largely modify the outcome. Some are more frequent in a group, others are less so. But they appear in both.

The post you made that I responded to was "painting with broad strokes", something you said not to do. It completely ignored the existence of players like me, that though do not seek competition, still do actually try till the end doing their best as far as their abilities go. Maybe not necessarily high, for the lack of experience, but hey. You implied it yourself. There's nothing wrong with being new, what's wrong is not trying.


Don't blame non-competitiveness when that's not the culprit.