Remove Frontline experiece NOW - Group majority of bots

[Snow_Princess]

I actually just put that as clickbait to make sure people would have a look, but there's been several games today where the bots outnumber the players. It's something SE needs to deal with quickly. It's difficult to kick them out when it's 6/8 players in your party.

It does need addressing, bot SE has a problem with dealing with bots in general. They still allow gather bots despite people reporting them. I think part of the problem is how SE expects you to report them, a lot of people are not going to bother when the method of reporting them is some online forum to the STF and they are not going to take the time to do that when they see no results.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

PvP xp was nerfed, so people feel more inclined to just not try when they see they are losing.

Its no big surprise to see people standing around cause they are in last place. Looking at the point values in your picture the most efficient thing to do in that situation is... stand around and let maelstrom win so you can go into another match.

I'm sorry, but what kind of defeatist crap is that?

It's PvP. It's competition. If you don't care about competing - about winning (and thus getting more XP), you're wasting your time, and others as well. Go run any other non-competitive content that gives more XP anyways. PvP is not the place for that kind of crap logic.

I see it now, the exp isn't it? If that's the mentality, I have to be frank and say that I don't want people like these in PvP, even if it costs us queue time.

I play PvP to WIN. I play to crush my enemy...or at the very least, lose to as few of them as possible. The win, the high placement, the spectacular plays, etc, themselves are rewards.

You are exactly right, "worthless pvp xp and wolf marks": these matter little to me, to many of us who take PvP seriously (heck, wolf marks are capped so often that I constantly have to buy something). But why do we try you ask? Because PvP is not PvP anymore if you don't gun to be as good as possible.

I. . . kind of love you.

[Istaru]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k9pgKPcxS0
If this isn't enough to think there are bots in frontlines (mainly in shatter) I don't know what else is. And this was a while ago but at the time of this thread, its probably more appropriate, and sorry I know this is a not so active thread right now since 4.1 but there hasn't been a change, just had a 3 or 4/8 of the party of bots recently and it angered me.

You are right to be angry.

A number of inconsiderate selfish rectums are ruining your ability to do something you enjoy. I doubt SE will ever do something about them in PVP.

[ElazulHP]

Sure remove xp from PvP and see how many ppl actually join. Most ppl don't care enough about pvp or the rewards(that only go to 100 ppl at most per data center) to bother. Remove the only reward for even bothering to join a match and you soon won't have anyone to play with.

[Istaru]

Sure remove xp from PvP and see how many ppl actually join. Most ppl don't care enough about pvp or the rewards(that only go to 100 ppl at most per data center) to bother. Remove the only reward for even bothering to join a match and you soon won't have anyone to play with.

Queue times were less than 5 minutes at the end of 3.x before the addition of XP. That was true for both The Feast and Frontlines.

Your comment about only rewarding 100 people? That is for Ranked Feast ONLY, the botting problems are mostly in Frontlines.

Please, if you are going to comment, at least know what the heck you are talking about.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Sure remove xp from PvP and see how many ppl actually join. Most ppl don't care enough about pvp or the rewards(that only go to 100 ppl at most per data center) to bother. Remove the only reward for even bothering to join a match and you soon won't have anyone to play with.

We've been over this before. Here's a thread that largely disproves your statement.

Also, PvP existed for more than 2 years without XP before Stormblood, and it had a dedicated, legitimate, COMPETITIVE community, even if it was small. Far less bots (if any), far less exploiters, and far MORE people who actually knew what to do and were competitive enough to do it without caring about rewards. Which BTW, we did get tomes for. I personally hadn't run an Expert roulette in 4 solid months at one point, but capped weekly.

So stop with this nonsense about people not wanting to PvP without XP. XP farmers and people who just want to exploit it won't, sure, but for those that actually enjoyed PvP, we did, and we would again.

[Avatre]

I really only PVPed to get aether for my relic weapons, and for all the Garo gears. Haven't touched it more than twice since SB hit, and that was as a RDM, simply because I didn't really care enough to keep doing it on a daily basis when I had all my other roulettes, and limited time(don't always get through my roulettes daily unless it's the weekend either). So, if the EXP stays, or gets taken away, I don't really see it changing anything other than the bots who are in there JUST for the EXP stop entering.

[kikix12]

I'm sorry, but what kind of defeatist crap is that?

It's PvP. It's competition. If you don't care about competing - about winning (and thus getting more XP), you're wasting your time, and others as well. Go run any other non-competitive content that gives more XP anyways. PvP is not the place for that kind of crap logic.

This is a stupid argument. There are all sorts of people. There are those that want to reach the goal and don't give a damn about the road towards it, but there are also the ones that want to make most of it and enrich their end.

I don't care about competition and whenever I did PvP, I did it for rewards (though honestly, I did it only before 4.0, as since then I just have no need for what PvP rewards). However, it's a party-based content and I despise holding others back when I can help it. So I did give it a fair try, trying to win till the end. The only difference is that even if I was part of the losing team, I didn't beat myself over it.

On a different side of the spectrum, there are the psychotically competitive players that want to show that "they are the best" to the point they are just plain toxic...ironically, often going out on their own and messing up the teamwork by trying to show off how "best" they are. And even with few PvP runs I did, I still managed to come across those competitive sorts that order others around, then give up halfway with a stupid excuse of "since we can't win anymore, what's the point of doing it?! I'm here only to win.". And you know what?! The most prominent time that happened, our team went from a third-place by far, to nearly winning. And we WERE held back by the one with the most bark and "competitive spirit".

The problem is entirely with the mentality of people not caring about others, wanting only the best for themselves. This mentality is FREQUENT in competitive players! There is no problem in non-competitive players that will stop trying if they see little chance of winning, even if they tried their best. That's one way how "change" happens. The weak players leave, stop feeding the strong, the strong lose their "meal", they thin out, the weak ones come back and the strong ones eventually catch on. This is natural and overall healthy, as (so long as there is an odd number of factions) it gives all sides some chances to win, thus enticing them to try.

[ElazulHP]

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SE doesn't share your opinion since they just raised the XP amount instead of removing it per the 4.1 patch notes. That thread you linked to is completely pointless. You have too small a polling size to accurately represent the amount of people that play the game. 100 people from the pvp sub forum who already likely enjoy pvp and would pvp regardless of what SE does or doesn't do won't accurately reflect the opinion of the millions who play. Sorry, but I trust SE decision over some rando on the forums. PvP has bigger problems right now then XP. It's down right boring and the only reason I bother with it is because Tomestones are easy to cap spamming matches & Leveling a DPS from 60 to 70 is faster in PvP when you're out of roulettes and other forms of XP since other queues take 30+ minutes to enter vs the couple of minutes to match into a PvP match.

[Nightroad]

I would be the first to agree I suck at pvp ,but i try to always to my best . And i know I am fighting against bots when i get more kills than deaths ....
You know what killed pvp for me ? Not the exp drop (i could care less) , not the pvp know-it-alls giving orders , not the bots or the "base guards" afking .
No , it was my inability to have a remote chance to kill a healer , never mind if there are two together.
I was watching guides and trying thing to get better , but when i saw 4 of us struggle to kill a running away healer ,i gave up .