As a new player, running through the Praetorium dungeon was the worst

[Kethic]

I find it pretty disgusting that 'letting first timers experience the story as designed' is considered specialtreatment by the community.

[CGMidlander]

I find it pretty disgusting that 'letting first timers experience the story as designed' is considered specialtreatment by the community.

An overdeveloped sense of entitlement is what's disgusting.
If making a party go considerably slower than it normally would (thus wasting a significant amount of play time for the rest of the party) for the sake of one person isn't special treatment, then I don't know what is. Praetorium has over half an hour of cutscenes.

I'm not against allowing people to watch cutscenes, but I do firmly believe there are better avenues to go about doing so than Duty Finder.

If a person wants special treatment, they ought to make a PF specifying so, or ask friends/FC.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Wrong, that bonus is there as a reward for playing with new players. So, unless you're assuming that you know that you're going to get new players in that run before you're already in, which you don't, you are confusing the roulette bonus with the new player bonus, which are two completely different things.

The point you are missing is the roulette bonuses are what keep Prae and CM active four years later. If cut scenes were forced, no one would ever touch them because the EXP bonuses wouldn't be worth committing nearly an hour to doing nothing, especially on a DPS job with already long queues. A perfect example is Coil or Alexander. Try queuing for either right now. I guarantee you'll be waiting hours. Why? Because the only players who care to do them either go with friends or are new players. Veterans have no reason to bother with either again, thus they don't. Even Crystal Tower couldn't survive once Heavensward dropped, and only saw revived activity when the devs slap one of the Anima sets into it.

So to answer your prior question. People queue into MSQ Roulette for the EXP gains and new players are able to complete the story, albeit with the high probability of skipping cut scenes and/or bosses.

[Charlayy]

I find it pretty disgusting that 'letting first timers experience the story as designed' is considered specialtreatment by the community.

We aint got time for leafers watching cut scenes. They are lucky they get help from long time players.

[Nixxe]

^ Which means that I was right when I've been telling you that the rewards are well worth waiting. You get twice as much for it taking almost twice as much time. On top of that you get the same reward that you would get on a second run but without having to wait for the queues.

You're objectively wrong on that point. You get less than twice as much for nearly 3x the duration. That other person was slow, honestly. The dungeon normally takes about 15 minutes to complete. It also doesn't double the other rewards.

I did enjoy that once again you reiterated your willingness to take the progression of new players hostage all so you can force SE to implement some "solution" to enforce your ideological purity. Seriously, do you feel like a good person here? Because you should not, not even a little bit. You are everything you're claiming the rest of us to be, but lack the self-awareness to realize it.

Edit: I just went and cleared both MSQ dungeons via Duty Finder groups. Castrum took just over 16 minutes. Praetorium took under 15.

I find it pretty disgusting that 'letting first timers experience the story as designed' is considered specialtreatment by the community.

When I was a new player, ten minutes into the cutscenes I began skipping them because I felt bad for not helping my group. Then again, I tend to think about people besides myself without being complained at to do so. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at SE, not the players. They created this situation. The players are pretty normal people with reasonable objections, namely being opposed to sitting around for 30+ minutes twiddling their thumbs in ancient content all for the sake of one random person. Sure, it would be swell if they did that, but it's also unreasonable and highly selfish to demand it of them and hold it against them when they don't.

[Draxxion]

I am sorry to hear that and yeah it is very bad. Had the same experience when I first did it too. People wanted to rush through it every time and having to go back to watch cut scenes is just a bad experience over all.

[Stanelis]

Praetorium if ppl didn't rush it and watched cutscenes = >1 hour (roughly).
Rushed praetorium = <10 minutes.

See what is the issue here ? Don't forget that a lot of players already know praetorium as it is content released in 2013. If we couldn't rush it then nobody would run it and everybody would leave at the beginning of the dungeon.

[Yshnal]

I won't bother anymore with this, even if I could've gone back and, for example, pick some stuff where the same posters contradict themselves about the duty taking more or less time depending of who are they replying to, so that it fits their argument. But considering how the same people seem to enjoy to go around other people's arguments without replying to what's actually being said (excuse me for saying "twice/double" when talking about 120+100; those 20 tomestones left for it to be exactly twice as much made such a huge difference in what I had to say), it would just be a waste of time. Some things never change over the years.

However, I'll let you a very simple fact for you (generally speaking) to meditate about. It's interesting that in the japanese servers, considering how the japanese culture is one that focuses on not bothering the people around you, and also how there's a huge respect towards those "above" you, they actually let the new players watch their cutscenes. If it was so bothersome as you claim it to be, wouldn't it make more sense for the new players to not watch them so that they don't bother the veterans? You can think whatever you want to think, but that fact is there, together with the devs being surprised about similar behaviors from the western community (which is partly SE's fault for not doing proper research, mind you).

This is a problem that only happens on NA/EU. You can draw any conclusions you want about it, but before you do (and if you're old enough) you should look back in time a little bit to see if you notice any changes in people's mentality over the years.

[Dualgunner]

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Good to know the japanese do this. I also wish NA would go with JP's public blacklist idea too. But that all said, NA whiners also seem to have this idea that DF is where you go to practice and learn and do new content...when it isn't. JP uses PF to learn and DF to farm, for instance.

[White_Wolf_X]

While i feel for you, at the same time ... when you have done that place more then 100-500 times as a vet ( none new player ) ... you want it over with ASAP.