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  1. #11
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    Elnidfse's Avatar
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    Rigel Regulus
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    Tonberry
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    That's one of the ones that left me questioning it. You've used reload to proc your wildfire, then use Flamethrower to generate the heat the shots would have done anyways had you not used Reload prior to
    I don't think I can explain anything better than Epiher has done
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  2. #12
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    Shika Naito
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    almost no reason to overheat.
    Flamethrower and Overdrive are terrible skills just remove overdrive from your bars.
    Don't bring mch into raids and don't allow them into raids they WILL Slow down Fights. this IS ONLY STATING THE FACTS.

    Fixes honestly potency boosts across the board Flamethrower and Overdrive need to be changed and the overheat mechanic needs to be worth it.

    and the problem I'm more fearful then anything is Square Fixing mch sooner then later. i mean the excuse they gave mch players during early HW days was learn to play the class(this was never the dam case it was just Doing terrible dmg coupled with Losing Dps when having to move and nothing proc etc) currently Mch IS in a Far worst state then it was doing HW time. like I've said earlier they will slow down fights. play mch during susano Ex saw enrage quite a few times(even with dmg lb3) swapped to another class NEver saw enrages ever again and it comes down to players not shocking the raid.
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  3. #13
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    Rigel Regulus
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    Tonberry
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Shhikasan View Post
    almost no reason to overheat.
    Flamethrower and Overdrive are terrible skills just remove overdrive from your bars.
    Don't bring mch into raids and don't allow them into raids they WILL Slow down Fights. this IS ONLY STATING THE FACTS.
    The only Fact is that I will outdps the average DPS in any fight. I don't care if I have lowest possible damage. If I can perform at 90% and beat everybody's 75% I'm fine enough to get myself into a raid. I won't just eject a MCH without cause if the content is clearable, and I expect everybody to similarly hold up to this standard.
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  4. #14
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    Lastelli Sungsem
    World
    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 90
    I'm curious about what other MCH are doing during dungeon pulls. Any tips? I usually start with FT until OH and then hot shot+reload, rapid fire and spread shot spam with a quick reload in the middle. Then I use Barrel Stabilizer and repeat every time I can use BS. Am I doing something wrong?
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  5. #15
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    Fannah Loydera
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    Moogle
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    Goldsmith Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    I'm curious about what other MCH are doing during dungeon pulls. Any tips? I usually start with FT until OH and then hot shot+reload, rapid fire and spread shot spam with a quick reload in the middle. Then I use Barrel Stabilizer and repeat every time I can use BS. Am I doing something wrong?
    You can start with Hot shot 1rst, while you are on your way to get to melee to Flamethrower And maybe even one Spread shot just before using Flamethrower which is an oGCD.
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    Last edited by Fannah; 07-06-2017 at 04:30 AM.

  6. #16
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    Shika Naito
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Elnidfse View Post
    The only Fact is that I will outdps the average DPS in any fight. I don't care if I have lowest possible damage. If I can perform at 90% and beat everybody's 75% I'm fine enough to get myself into a raid. I won't just eject a MCH without cause if the content is clearable, and I expect everybody to similarly hold up to this standard.
    your 90% is still lower then their 75%
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  7. #17
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    Blufnix Greedalox
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    Diabolos
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shhikasan View Post
    almost no reason to overheat.
    Flamethrower and Overdrive are terrible skills just remove overdrive from your bars.
    MCH is in a bad place- nobody argues this. Want to know what makes the matter 3x worse? People like you spreading misinformation like this. Trying to make the worst out of a bad situation.

    And a quick FYI- if you're hitting enrage on either primal then you were playing MCH poorly. There's no reason to ever enrage with "decent" gameplay. You'll be so far in the green enrage wise with the DPS MCH can put out that if you're not meeting the checks that's completely on you and not even the "bad class".
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  8. #18
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    Livia Bloodletter
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    Phoenix
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    Dancer Lv 100
    2 things i would have liked to see change was that Gauss Barrel don't drop off after an over heat.

    And that the PVP mch's reload get's moved over to pve whereby we no longer use TP in our attacks but instead on quick reload.
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  9. #19
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    Elnidfse's Avatar
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    Rigel Regulus
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    Tonberry
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Shhikasan View Post
    your 90% is still lower then their 75%
    Not according to the parses I'm looking at
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  10. #20
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    Shika Naito
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Greedalox View Post
    MCH is in a bad place- nobody argues this. Want to know what makes the matter 3x worse? People like you spreading misinformation like this. Trying to make the worst out of a bad situation.

    And a quick FYI- if you're hitting enrage on either primal then you were playing MCH poorly. There's no reason to ever enrage with "decent" gameplay. You'll be so far in the green enrage wise with the DPS MCH can put out that if you're not meeting the checks that's completely on you and not even the "bad class".
    ya cause last time people let it slide nothing fucking happen to mch for 7 months.
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