balance through Balance

[gumas]

Whm big heal is actually pretty usefull at least when i try deltascape v1-4 yesterday, all boss has at least 2-3 attack that reduce all 3/4 party hp so i think thats the reason they make whm is the "big heal" healer class. V1 boss even bring the whole party hp down to 1 which can be scary for ast "mediocre" aoe heal (not counting earthly star)

And iam not sure if its equipment difference but when i match with whm yesterday, both of us healing like crazy and by the middle of fight, my mp is drop to half (somewhere around 9K), the whm mp also drop by half but i look her mp is still around 12K, i guess ast has small mp pool overall?

And you dont need to nerf ast, just make the spread, redraw and royalroad skill use mp instead of free skill, and maybe put card drawing skill and all card related skill affected by GCD not OGCD, that make some ast think twice when they draw a card.

[Caduagm]

I look at all these numbers, and see a lack of the AoE loss I was thinking of. Or are you saying AST has worse AoE than SCH does?

I guess you can't read, right? I said SINGLE TARGET.

[Ilenya]

I guess you can't read, right? I said SINGLE TARGET.

Can I point out that you assumed I was thinking that?

[Caduagm]

more blah blah blah

Not gonna take it serious because in Lakshmi fights you get around 3-4 lords (just so you know) and Scholar has free energy drains if they use eos.

[LegoTechnic]

Not gonna take it serious because in Lakshmi fights you get around 3-4 lords (just so you know) and Scholar has free energy drains if they use eos.

3-4 Lord of Crowns equates to about 6-8 energy drains. This is about right, actually. An off-healing SCH will do as much as they can to avoid casting Adloquium and Succor, so they'll use stacks for their ogcds like Indomitability for AoE moments like after the lotus marks right before the AoE hits and Lustrate or Excogitation to aid tank buster recovery. Assuming no one dies you'll find yourself draining when you have spare stacks at the time of Aetherize coming live, and otherwise keeping your stacks in reserve in case they're needed. If you burn all your stacks specifically on Energy Drain then your viability to actually heal reactively plummets like a rock, which is rather catastrophic if something should happen, like if the other healer should accidentally forget to pop his Vril or something.

And if you can get through the entire fight without using your ogcd heals just using the basic kit + Eos, then you may as well try being a DPS and letting the other healer see if they can single-heal as it sounds like your group is pretty solid.

As to the point, I agree completely that AST's personal DPS is the worst of the group. Lord of Crowns is potent, the potency equivalent of SMN's Fester with two DoTs active (its max), and double that of Energy Drain, but the card cost can both be considered high and random so much like Lady of Crowns it feels more like a bonus than something reliable. Earthly Star suffers from pet-tax like MCH's turrets and does less than its listed 200 pot, which is already less than its equivalent DPS amounts in Assize and Shadowflare (if all five ticks hit). Malefic III is 10 pot less than Broil II, and Combust is 20 potency less than the combined amount of Bio II and Miasma, though it lasts longer and thus needs less gcds spent to refresh to compensate (we won't talk about WHM because it makes us both feel sad). In the end though, the DPS contribution they give with Balance and Arrow offset the personal amount they do, so it's difficult to believe that anyone is going to care much. AST DPS is decent, but if you're spending enough time where your personal DPS deficit becomes noticeable (and you actually care about such things) then you've long since passed the point where you need to either be considering single-healing the encounter or rolling as DPS if your partner is an AST.

[loreleidiangelo]

How sad that so many Astrologians in this thread are equating nerfing Balance with gutting the card system altogether. To me, that's a clear indicator that Balance is poorly designed re: reasonable raid utility and either needs to be nerfed or redone.

[Verdan]

I'd say that Balance actually makes the card system way less fun, because most of the time you're better off lighting the card you got on fire and hoping you get balance next.

[Caduagm]

Sorry but SCH was nerfed because they were "OP". That's the solution. So nerf AST and WHM to SCH levels. SCH has to deal with its DPS rotation being nerfed to WHM levels. Time to nerf their healing to SCH levels, thanks.

Time to remove your Fairy then with its abilities, your Deploy, your emergency tactics, your lustrate and your indomitability =]

[Enla]

Time to remove your Fairy then with its abilities, your Deploy, your emergency tactics, your lustrate and your indomitability =]

All of those abilities with the exception of Deploy have WHM and AST counterparts that are objectively better, especially with the Faerie nerf. Ergo I'm not entirely sure the point you're trying to make at all.

[Riyshn]

Time to remove your Fairy then with its abilities, your Deploy, your emergency tactics, your lustrate and your indomitability =]

Sure. As long as your regens, your cards, Synastry, Benefic 2, Essential Dignity, Helios, and your buff extenders are removed as well.