balance through Balance

[Caduagm]

They ARE NOT nerfing balance, otherwise it would be gordias/midas again; where nobody used AST. For God's sake stop trying to take our identity off from us. Stop afking as healer and dps a bit as whm. AST rotation was NERFED TO THE GROUND and it's the most boring rotation of all the 3 healers. So pls... Can this topic be closed now?

[BloodRubyXII]

Are you actually kidding, right?
Even with the buffs on sects WHM still out HPS AST . WHM got 2 new INSTANT heals, assize reduced its CD and now they can spam Cure 3 with Thin Air.
"Ahh but AST got earthly star" yeah we did but it IS NOT an instant heal.
"Ahh but AST got The Lady of Crowns" since we never use it because we always want The Lord, because SE nerfed our damage to the ground.

Out HPSing with cheesing does not constitute the state of balance, sorry :x
Earthly Star, all things considered, is technically an instant. It can be placed and detonated immediately and it hits hard.
Lady of Crowns can be spent on tank busters with B2. It's not completely worthless. When we had cards that had no use other than RR fodder that was as low as it got.


I'm not saying AST needs to be toned down, just those aren't the points you need to make to defend us.

[BloodPact]

Earthly Star, all things considered, is technically an instant. It can be placed and detonated immediately and it hits hard.

Although Earthly Star doesn't have cast time it's really nothing to count on if you need a quick heal. Even when it's already set up it takes time to explode and heal the target after you do the healing casting animation. It's a really good skill (even debatable that a bit OP due to potency) but certainly not an instant heal like Assize or the Scholar one.

[paoweeotter]

each job needs their own niche you said. shielding was the SCH niche and AST now do it better. more potency. less MP. instant cast. the class is clearly overturned.

From AST/SCH main

[Ilenya]

They ARE NOT nerfing balance, otherwise it would be gordias/midas again; where nobody used AST. For God's sake stop trying to take our identity off from us. Stop faking as healer and dps a bit as whm. AST rotation was NERFED TO THE GROUND and it's the most boring rotation of all the 3 healers. So pls... Can this topic be closed now?

If Balance is the only thing that makes people want to bring AST, then AST by definition is not balanced and would need to be adjusted, so Balance would have to be nerfed to even out the power of the job.

[Kabzy]

They ARE NOT nerfing balance, otherwise it would be gordias/midas again; where nobody used AST. For God's sake stop trying to take our identity off from us. Stop faking as healer and dps a bit as whm. AST rotation was NERFED TO THE GROUND and it's the most boring rotation of all the 3 healers. So pls... Can this topic be closed now?

Forget nerfing, if they removed Balance completely, AST would still be a WHM with some better potency base heals and other party buffs in diurnal, and it would be a better SCH in nocturnal. That alone should highlight that AST needs to be toned down in some departments.

For the record I'm not saying they should remove the Balance card, what I'm trying to point out is that AST has a lot more going for it. There's a reason the rest of us are calling it OP, perhaps the most OP job in the game right now.

[RichardButte]

People act like AST can guarantee 100% uptime on AoE Balance or something.

No, it's tied to RNG, and as such is subject to streaks where an AST isn't going to get even one AoE Balance the whole fight.

[MoroMurasaki]

They ARE NOT nerfing balance, otherwise it would be gordias/midas again; where nobody used AST. For God's sake stop trying to take our identity off from us. Stop faking as healer and dps a bit as whm. AST rotation was NERFED TO THE GROUND and it's the most boring rotation of all the 3 healers. So pls... Can this topic be closed now?

No, this topic won't be closed now because this isn't about only the opinions and hurt feelings of some entitled AST mains who can't seem to grasp the conscept of healer balance.


AST may have had their personal DPS take a hit, any idea why? Because they have the single best buff in the game right now. If AST didn't represent a huge gain to party DPS they would still be a flexible, comprehensive healer that offered other forms of utility.

You want to have your cake and eat it too. Any complaints about AST right now can (and should) be summarily tossed aside with no more response than "that Balance tho" and it is actually a perfectly valid response from the perspective of healer balance.

AST needs to lose Balance not only so that other healers aren't ommitted from progression and content but also because they need to grow into their true identity - the utility represented by the cards as a whole. If Balance is AST's identity then are WARs just Fell Cleave? WHM's just Assize? No, we have entire kits.

So do you. Use them.

Also, not that you would know, but I do wonderful DPS as WHM. I am a huge supporter of healer DPS in general. Even though I say this I know I can't make up the difference in DPS gained by a Balanced DPS opener party wide. That has nothing to do with "faking healing" and everything to do with math and a basic understanding of how this game works.

[Supersun]

Honestly if I were SE I would limit healer DD buffs to be strictly single target on the DPS themselves. So long as some classes have AoE DPS buffs and others don't it'll be impossible to balance healer damage between both 4 and 8 man content because of the effect being doubled in 8 man. Either Whm will have enough personal DPS to compete in 8 man which in that case Whm will obliterate everything in 4 man, or Whm will be balanced for 4 man, but will under perform in 8 man since their personal DPS won't be enough to catch up to the AoE buffs.

The better to balance around in the future way to "nerf balance" would be to instead remove the ability to AoE the cards in the first place where the cards are only single target (and stratagem would buff 1 ally instead of debuff the monster) and then personal DPS and DPS buffing should be able to be balanced.

[Caduagm]

Useless stuff.

Ahh, I see. Most of the guys who complain about ast are whms. Hmmm. Ok so. You can't think so much I guess. AST's balance is not a buff that 100% of the time you'll have. Don't say stupid things without know. Ah nvm... I guess you are some of those whms that don't dps; probably overhealing/afking.
And about AST for progression?? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaa yeah you should be kidding. Yeah, again balance is RNG, but even so AST HAS NOT the same safety heal than WHM does. So, yeah go learn about dps as WHM and then you come back to say "balance needs to be deleted". Ah and btw; learn astrologian too before you saying stupid stuff about it.