balance through Balance

[HyoMinPark]

I don't think the solution to bring WHM/SCH back to viability is to nerf ASTs or AST's Balance. You shouldn't nerf a job to make the others better. Nerf Balance and AST will go back to being the weaker hybrid groups didn't want because they couldn't bring anything to the group the other two didn't already bring.

Each job needs their own niche to make them viable for any content, to make them unique, and to make them desirable to statics and players in general. Nerfing one will only cause said nerfed job to experience problems; it won't necessarily fix the design flaws with others.

There are definitely aspects of WHM that need to be addressed. And SCH needs A LOT of TLC right now. But nerfing AST is not the solution to fixing WHM/SCH. Just like how nerfing PLD wouldn't be a solution to fix the issues with WAR, or even DRK.

[Feidam]

I don't think the solution to bring WHM/SCH back to viability is to nerf ASTs or AST's Balance. You shouldn't nerf a job to make the others better.

Completely disagree depending on the situation. If one class is over tuned then it needs to be nerfed. You don't over tune the others as that makes content trivial and then content has to be retuned. The question is are Astrologians overpowered or not based on the target number the devs have set for "X" content.

[Enla]

I don't think the solution to bring WHM/SCH back to viability is to nerf ASTs or AST's Balance. You shouldn't nerf a job to make the others better. Nerf Balance and AST will go back to being the weaker hybrid groups didn't want because they couldn't bring anything to the group the other two didn't already bring.

I completely disagree, at least in regards to AST's Nocturnal stance. AST shields should be just under the potency of SCH's, not putting out better shields with an instant cast to boot. I don't think AST needs to be nerfed into the ground by any means, but it does need several balances in order for all the healers to play on even ground. Either half the potency to balance the instant cast or put in a cast bar like Succor has. Likewise their shields also crit far harder than SCH's do, which given the fact that SCH is the CRIT healer is absolutely unacceptable.

AST should be on par with the other two, not outpacing them at very single turn.

[IttyBitty]

You cannot simply buff classes to bring them in line with a class that is overtuned to a ridiculous degree. That is a textbook definition of power creep.

The Balance is warping the healing environment. Either every healer needs something like it, or it needs to be toned down.

[Rubiss]

I don't think the solution to bring WHM/SCH back to viability is to nerf ASTs or AST's Balance. You shouldn't nerf a job to make the others better. Nerf Balance and AST will go back to being the weaker hybrid groups didn't want because they couldn't bring anything to the group the other two didn't already bring.

Each job needs their own niche to make them viable for any content, to make them unique, and to make them desirable to statics and players in general. Nerfing one will only cause said nerfed job to experience problems; it won't necessarily fix the design flaws with others.

There are definitely aspects of WHM that need to be addressed. And SCH needs A LOT of TLC right now. But nerfing AST is not the solution to fixing WHM/SCH. Just like how nerfing PLD wouldn't be a solution to fix the issues with WAR, or even DRK.

Sorry but SCH was nerfed because they were "OP". That's the solution. So nerf AST and WHM to SCH levels. SCH has to deal with its DPS rotation being nerfed to WHM levels. Time to nerf their healing to SCH levels, thanks.

[paoweeotter]

each job needs their own niche you said. shielding was the SCH niche and AST now do it better. more potency. less MP. instant cast. the class is clearly overturned.

From AST/SCH main