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    Don't like DPS queue time? Roll a tank or healer!

    I don't know if this is something that is endemic to the "ME" generation, but I hear and see a whole lot of people complaining about the DPS queue times. So this is addressed to you hypothetical "Me Me Me!" people:

    1. Join a Free Company
    2. Make Friends
    3. Have a conversation about taking turns playing a Tank or Healer class
    4. Shorten DPS queue times for yourself and your friends
    5. Shorten DPS queue times for the entire community (if queue with less than 4)
    6. Participate in a Gaming Community
    I prefer DPS. But I also play MMOs because I like the sense of community and social interaction. If I wanted instant gratification without the need to fill social roles, I'd play a single player game. So the first class I'm leveling in Stormblood is a tank. That doesn't make me better than you hypothetical "Me Me Me!" people. But I can at least say that I don't have problems with queue times.

    Welcome to the Gaming Community.

    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    I'm surprised people aren't demanding AI party members (you know like FFXI has, or SWTOR)

    But the thing I geniunely dislike about MMO communities is the lack of caring by other players. This is how things go down...

    If I volunteer my time to help someone, I become that person's first contact to do -everything-, if not -all- content. Despite any other friends I may have in the game. Some people are extremely abusive about this prospect and I even have to deal with it outside the game. Millennials are the most impatient entitled people ever, and if you don't give them what they want, then they passively aggressively threaten to harm you, your friends or themselves to try and guilt you into helping. "Gamers" especially are prone to this insane demand that -someone else- fix something for them. Not they fix it themselves, but someone else is clearly responsible for this state of being.

    The answer is in front of everyone's face. If you do not like the DPS queues, roll a tank or healer. If you don't like getting shouted down for being a bad healer/tank, then don't roll one, and wait your turn in the queue, or find some reasonable friends. In most cases there are people who casually will help if they are available, but don't want to be married to your schedule.
    I thought the suggestion was common sense, too. But evidently any suggestion that you should consider other players when playing a MULTI-player game is toxic. This game seems to attract a lot of "Don't tell me how to play!" players who get upset when you make suggestions. And that's pretty unfortunate, considering that a suggestion is optional, not mandatory. And it's pretty strange that anyone would get so upset about something that is optional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rymm View Post
    I love tanking. I almost always tank in group content and on the rare occasions that I don't, I usually heal. That being said, the biggest turn off from tanking/healing for me is not the tank changes or the shiny new SB dps classes or mechanics in any of the dungeons. It's the people I get stuck with in DF. Probably 95% of the time most of my groups are fine or even pleasant, but that other 5% is a swirling hellhole of toxicity that drives me to lose all faith in humanity. I really don't understand the reasoning of people who wait in the queue for nearly an hour just to spend 20-30 minutes treating everyone in their group like shit. And it's most often directed at the tank and/or healer. If a tank pulls too much or too little, goes too fast or too slow, skips something or doesn't skip it; you know you are going to catch hell for it. Most of the time I just suck it up and deal with it because after tanking in various MMOs for the last ten years or so, I'm pretty desensitized. But some days are just particularly bad and reach a point where I frankly just don't want to deal with other people's shit. That's when I go and play my RDM.
    Most of the stuff you're pointing out here is experienced through the duty finder. I've experienced it too. It's frustrating. And that's why I suggested that folks form groups from within their free company. I've basically been running Roulettes for my FC every day since the launch of SB. And it's been fun. I haven't had to sit in a queue for an hour. And neither have they.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Bear in mind that most tanks/healers (but not all) are thoroughly annoyed by the tank/healer changes, plus the fact they released 2 hype as heck jobs, and you can understand why people would go to DPS. I think people underestimated how many people would play RDM/SAM, that much is true, but what about players that thoroughly hate tanks/healers and everything that comes with them? What about the players who are less than perfect and get abuse hurled at them for it as a tank/healer (which is much easier to hide as a DPS btw due to the rules surrounding parsers), and yes that DOES happen? Tank/healer roles put you more in the centre and if anything goes wrong, even if it isn't your fault, you'll usually get blamed. As for myself, I love the paladin changes (though agree they need to change things because PLD is godmode compared to WAR/DRK atm, but that's a discussion for another topic), as I feel the level 70 move creates the true archetype of player I want to be, but most people hate them. Should they be punished for SE's laughable attempt at "balancing"? Why should they have to suffer? While your suggestions are good for some people, they come off in a very derogotary manner because of your opening paragraph and in all honesty, I can understand why people will have a beef with you.
    You're right. You can't tank and be a fragile snowflake. Lots of people will criticize you for not playing the way they want, or playing the way they think you should play. Tanks receive lots of abuse. And if you're a fragile snowflake, you'll get incredibly frustrated and melt under the scrutiny.

    But it would be a false dilemma to suggest that it's a choice between two bad options: Either queue as DPS (and get frustrated with the long queue times) or queue as Tank (and get frustrated with the abuse). Because there are other options. I suggested one option: queue as a tank with folks in your free company. But that's just a suggestion. I imagine there might even be better suggestions and options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizhonor View Post
    I don't know if this is something that is endemic to the "ME" generation
    You had me until here.
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    i'd kinda like to give priya hugs with my mouth.
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    Q20: Will we ever be able to send tells from within an instanced area?

    A20: While the feature can be implemented, it’s currently masked. It’s currently masked because we would like to prevent players from harassing each other just because they know they would never party together in the future. We will continue to monitor the situation carefully as we move forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priya View Post
    You had me until here.
    Apparently so.

    In any case, SB launched with two DPS classes. I'm surprised that so many people are complaining about the DPS queue times, given the fact that everyone knew that oodles of people would be playing RDM's and SAM's.

    I'm pretty sure it's a "Me Me Me!" thing that more people aren't willing to level tanks and healers first. But I could be wrong...
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    I switched to a tank after my RDM got to 70, it's great!
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    Bear in mind that most tanks/healers (but not all) are thoroughly annoyed by the tank/healer changes, plus the fact they released 2 hype as heck jobs, and you can understand why people would go to DPS. I think people underestimated how many people would play RDM/SAM, that much is true, but what about players that thoroughly hate tanks/healers and everything that comes with them? What about the players who are less than perfect and get abuse hurled at them for it as a tank/healer (which is much easier to hide as a DPS btw due to the rules surrounding parsers), and yes that DOES happen? Tank/healer roles put you more in the centre and if anything goes wrong, even if it isn't your fault, you'll usually get blamed. As for myself, I love the paladin changes (though agree they need to change things because PLD is godmode compared to WAR/DRK atm, but that's a discussion for another topic), as I feel the level 70 move creates the true archetype of player I want to be, but most people hate them. Should they be punished for SE's laughable attempt at "balancing"? Why should they have to suffer? While your suggestions are good for some people, they come off in a very derogotary manner because of your opening paragraph and in all honesty, I can understand why people will have a beef with you.
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    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 07-05-2017 at 04:10 AM.
    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizhonor View Post
    Apparently so.

    In any case, SB launched with two DPS classes. I'm surprised that so many people are complaining about the DPS queue times, given the fact that everyone knew that oodles of people would be playing RDM's and SAM's.

    I'm pretty sure it's a "Me Me Me!" thing that more people aren't willing to level tanks and healers first. But I could be wrong...
    I'm sorry, but I don't think people playing what they enjoy has anything to do with generational divides. By all means, tell people to stop complaining, but why would you bring in something totally irrelevant to that especially as a means to insult them for not playing tanks/heals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fusional View Post
    i'd kinda like to give priya hugs with my mouth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bayohne View Post
    Q20: Will we ever be able to send tells from within an instanced area?

    A20: While the feature can be implemented, it’s currently masked. It’s currently masked because we would like to prevent players from harassing each other just because they know they would never party together in the future. We will continue to monitor the situation carefully as we move forward.

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    "Joining a free company" and "making friends" both are "ME-ME-ME" type of solutions, as you only shorten the DPS queues of yourself while leaving random DPS in the gutter, as the tanks and healers that would have played with them now play with you instead. You are suggesting the very thing you are trying to critique.

    The other suggestions boil down to:"Sacrifice your own enjoyment for others". Not only is that unnecessary, as the issue has design solutions that don't require such sacrifices, it's also an irrational appeal - why would you do that in an activity that has "enjoyment" as only purpose? It goes against the point of engaging in the activity in the first place. Do you seriously think that reasonable?

    Bluntly put: You're a hypocrite and your points are unreasonable on top.
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    But what if I AM a tank and I still don't like DPS queue time because once in a while I'd like to do something as a DPS ? =D
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    If you don't know how to tank or heal and don't care to learn how to do it well, or you don't enjoy it, please, for the love of God, do NOT roll a tank or healer. I and the other 2 people in the group don't need slow runs just because you're tired of waiting.
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    I love tanking. I almost always tank in group content and on the rare occasions that I don't, I usually heal. That being said, the biggest turn off from tanking/healing for me is not the tank changes or the shiny new SB dps classes or mechanics in any of the dungeons. It's the people I get stuck with in DF. Probably 95% of the time most of my groups are fine or even pleasant, but that other 5% is a swirling hellhole of toxicity that drives me to lose all faith in humanity. I really don't understand the reasoning of people who wait in the queue for nearly an hour just to spend 20-30 minutes treating everyone in their group like shit. And it's most often directed at the tank and/or healer. If a tank pulls too much or too little, goes too fast or too slow, skips something or doesn't skip it; you know you are going to catch hell for it.

    Most of the time I just suck it up and deal with it because after tanking in various MMOs for the last ten years or so, I'm pretty desensitized. But some days are just particularly bad and reach a point where I frankly just don't want to deal with other people's shit. That's when I go and play my RDM.
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