Red Mages Needs a Bit More Complexity

[Claire_Pendragon]

Complexity doesnt equate better. (Depth is "options" not rotation. And it requires content to have depth too, not just mechanics to memorize. So this isnt an argument of Depth vs Convoluted playstyles/mechanics.)

I do agree there should be some classes with more complexity and those with less, but considering this one of the the few, Id argue dont.

Honestly never had fun with DPS before. DRG, BLM and SMN were boring in 3.x, and I semi enjoyed BLM in 2.x, but RDM is the 1st job Ive played that actually made me enjoy doing content just to do content.
The only thing else I think RDM should have, is a DoT, and thats from someone who finds DoTs unfun. (I actually dont want the DoT, just saying the job should have it.)

[GospelVhae]

How is that even complex at all? You would still spam the same skills to balance your mana. All you're asking for is buffs. Complexity would mean things added to RDM that doesn't make them a brain dead magic spam machine like mana deduction when using jolt if shatter is available, upgrading the same type of mana thrice in a row, etc

I play both RDM and BLM, and switched to RDM because the mechanics are so punishing for Blacks. Reds manages those with ease and dish out good numbers even without effort. It's so braindead

[Kacho_Nacho]

Please no.

As an older adult with health challenges I love the fact that there are less complex jobs in the game. Give me my red mage, white mage, and paladin. You can play with the more complex jobs all you want.

[Kolsykol]

Please no.

As an older adult with health challenges I love the fact that there are less complex jobs in the game. Give me my red mage, white mage, and paladin. You can play with the more complex jobs all you want.

He isn't asking for more complexity tho. He is asking for buffs under the guise of '' complexity ''.
Adding an AoE effect and a DoT wouldn't add any complexity at all, quite the opposite. If anything it would REMOVE complexity and make the job even easier than it already is.

And this '' Acceleration. An entire ability that takes a proc from 50% to 100% seems like a waste. Compared to Sharpcast which can take a proc chance from 3% to 100%.

Add to Acceleration the benefit of allowing Verholy or Verflare to be used without first needing to perform the melee combo. Similar to True North in that it removes prerequisites from ability use, and adds a decision point to the ability. This would allow RDM to use their capstone ability in more situations. ''

How is this more complexity?
It's just a flat buff that doesn't actually add any complexity whatsoever.
What RDM needs right now is most certainly NOT buffs.

[Amulrei]

Please no.

As an older adult with health challenges I love the fact that there are less complex jobs in the game. Give me my red mage, white mage, and paladin. You can play with the more complex jobs all you want.

Amen. As someone with nerve damage in my wrist from a car accident, I tend to prefer classes that don't play like a concert piano recital.

If people want complex classes with hundreds of actions per minute then play one. There is no shortage of them. I just wish people would stop asking for nonsense changes for the classes that are a little more relaxed in their mechanics and rotations.

[Frowny]

Amen. As someone with nerve damage in my wrist from a car accident, I tend to prefer classes that don't play like a concert piano recital.

If people want complex classes with hundreds of actions per minute then play one. There is no shortage of them. I just wish people would stop asking for nonsense changes for the classes that are a little more relaxed in their mechanics and rotations.

That is perfectly fine, but I feel the damage output should also reflect it.

[JMadFour]

That is perfectly fine, but I feel the damage output should also reflect it.

that's fine with me, so long as it doesn't make my Job absolutely unwanted in all content.

I'm here for the playstyle in this case, not necessarily the numbers.

[VorpalSpork]

That is perfectly fine, but I feel the damage output should also reflect it.

I totally disagree here. Complexity isn't a stat. We shouldn't start trying to decide how much a job needs to be nerfed because you believe it is simpler than your job. The point of balancing is to make the jobs as close together as possible, with adjustments for group utility perhaps. Some silly epeen requirement that one job do less than another because of apparently less difficulty is just silly. Do you define the percent nerf based on button presses? People should play the style that they find fun, not be funneled into classes because they do more dps due to supposed complexity, much of which is subjective.

[Amulrei]

I totally disagree here. Complexity isn't a stat. We shouldn't start trying to decide how much a job needs to be nerfed because you believe it is simpler than your job. The point of balancing is to make the jobs as close together as possible, with adjustments for group utility perhaps. Some silly epeen requirement that one job do less than another because of apparently less difficulty is just silly. Do you define the percent nerf based on button presses? People should play the style that they find fun, not be funneled into classes because they do more dps due to supposed complexity, much of which is subjective.

Amazingly well said.

[Duelle]

Complexity isn't a stat. We shouldn't start trying to decide how much a job needs to be nerfed because you believe it is simpler than your job. The point of balancing is to make the jobs as close together as possible, with adjustments for group utility perhaps. Some silly epeen requirement that one job do less than another because of apparently less difficulty is just silly. Do you define the percent nerf based on button presses? People should play the style that they find fun, not be funneled into classes because they do more dps due to supposed complexity, much of which is subjective.

I agree with this 100%. The best thing one can do from a design perspective is make classes that cater to various skill/dexterity levels. Yes, making a class simpler to play than others runs the risk of inflating the ranks of said class (9-6-9 prot paladins in WoW come to mind), but it does provide something for everyone. I think we stand to gain more from that approach than to make every DPS class an experience where the player fights his/her class' mechanics instead of the boss.