Thread: Consolidating Warrior 4.0 Feedback Thread

You guys are misunderstanding.

Inner Beast is tuned and balanced in such a way that you still have an attack that does proportionately high DPS relative to the rest of your skills while you are in a given stance.

For example, lets say that a Fell Cleave in Deliverance is 500 potency and an auto attack is 100 potency. So you have a big nuke attack that is 5x more powerful than an AA.

Now in Defiance, your AAs deal 76.2 potency (factoring in the Defiance penalty plus the loss of the 1.05x modifer of Deliverance). Inner Beast is now your big nuke attack, and it deals closer to 6x your AA potency, and proportionately higher relative to the rest of your GCDs.

Relative to that potency and the potency of the rest of your GCDs, Inner Beast is actually a higher increase over the average Defiance PPGCD than Fell Cleave is an increase over the average Deliverance PPGCD. This is why I said that saying that WAR just loses the Damage of Fell Cleave completely in Defiance is fallacious. You don't switch to Defiance and that GCD is just gone from your rotation, its just replaced with IB, which appears based on what math I have here to be just as much of a DPS gain while you are in Defiance. So I don't believe it is accurate to say that it is "gated by Deliverance".

tl;dr Inner Beast is roughly the same if not a higher increase to Defiance's PPGCD than Fell Cleave is to Deliverance's PPGCD. So the DPS loss isn't the loss of Fell Cleave, its the loss inherent from Defiance across the board, so to want to do away with the former is basically to want to do away with the Defiance penalty altogether, across the board, which I found ridiculous.

Ideally, what they should do is add an effect to Unchained that speeds beast gauge generation or slows its consumption relative to Inner Release.

Tbh i will go back to stack system...but i know will not happend,anyway defo need some love,atm no matter what people say War dont bring anything,not even best dps of the 3 tank.

Change need:
- Stance penality gone or reworked,like make us keep the rage up to 50?lose only the "extra" one?that way at least if you swap you still have enough to do an action.

- Need utility,path will never come back now and slashing is on ninja/sam rotation now.
Some suggest Thrill of battle like in pvp,i do agree,will work like an hp shield for party,but change Thrill not in place of Shake it off.

- Shake it off gone,give us a party buff,crit buff?10%?just something that have some use.

- Path combo potency have to go up,at least as eye if not even as BB,and BB give 20 rage,path combo when OT,BB combo when MT.

- I would love even hp recovery effect on Steel cyclone,since we lost bloodbath.

- Unchaine and Inner Release not share recast time, no reason, simple kill Unchained skill atm.

- Onslaught no rage cost or double potency,maybe even a mix of those can work? 150 potency/10 rage?

- Infuriate outside battle, to avoid the stack rege before pull can simply add the old 30 second timer since you cant do anymore generate rage whit RI and Vengeance.

I would prefer it if they would get rid of the stance penalty, give us utility, remove Shake it Off etc., but those points have already been brought up enough so I won't spend a lot of time just repeating them. I have a few ideas for what they could do if they really don't want to go back on the 4.0 changes.

If WAR isn't going to get any utility at all and doesn't get the gauge penalty removed, both stances should be supercharged to make it feel worth the penalty of either losing gauge or just being locked out of 4 skills. In Defiance, WAR would need a big boost to sustain, maybe from a slight mitigation increase but preferably from better self healing. 4.0 PLD's healing is ridiculous compared to even 3.0 WAR. IB could easily go back to its original 300% on top of keeping the mitigation. Path needs a huge healing boost because honestly, it's incredibly underwhelming and unnoticeable. Boost it to 200-300% and even then it wouldn't be overpowered because it doesn't actually get used that often. Equilibrium should get a boost, especially because its potency isn't affected by Defiance/Convalescence. Speaking of Equilibrium, make it a healing skill in both stances. The TP is useless in single target and we don't want to swap stance in aoe now. Basically, give Defiance big boosts so that tanking actually feels good even when locked out of your hardest hitting skills.

For Deliverance, if WAR isn't going to get any utility at all, it should just get a huge dps boost. Enough that WAR would be on the level of a STR tank even when we're locked out of using them. Put DRK at some halfway point between PLD and WAR because it has some utility.

My preferred change for Shake it Off is to replace it with Thrill of War, but if it's not going anywhere it should get a huge buff: it should work on every debuff in the game. Paralyse, vuln up, damage down, stuns, poison, tankbuster stacking debuffs, Lakshmi's pvp confuse, even Weakness. Whatever negatively affects the WAR should be removed. I don't think that one person having this would make it much easier to clear fights, but it would be nice to be able to sacrifice a WAR to a mechanic, then they just get up, Shake it Off, and go back to whatever they were doing before.

I'm sure none of this is balanced, but the idea is to make both stances feel great for different reasons so that you're fine with being stuck in one stance (or so that swapping to Defiance doesn't just feel bad because you lose gauge).

Although I prefer 3.0 Warrior state(as do we all) as opposed to 4.0. The 4.0 complexity in rotation is something I've ironically always desired.

My personal preferences might be strange but I believe would be more enjoyable. To me anyways.

Defiance/Deliverance - Change cost from 50% gauge to 250 TP. In Single Target, Warrior has never suffered any TP problems due to the IB skills being costless GCDs. Yet they also possess an Invigorate-lite skill when PLD and previously DRK had trouble maintaining their own TP. This would truly make Equilibrium a trade-off skill wherein you would need to use it's TP equivalent if you intend to stance swap alot or stance swap with low resources.
Global Change: Sword Oath and Deliverance is always active. Shield Oath and Defiance remove Sword Oath and Deliverance respectively and apply their own stat bonuses in place. Stance change is now a one button press.

Onslaught and Upheaval: Unchanged.
Upheaval I won't need to comment on since it's a good skill if not bland. But Onslaught is an interesting skill. At face value, it is a horrible trade-off of beast gauge for it's effect. But the 100 potency is infact quite splendid because in a Storm's Eye+Storm's Path rotation, you end up with overflow of IB and can burn it off on Onslaught as opposed to Storm's Eye+Butcher's Block. Doing Path and Onslaught would net you a plus + 20 potency over the latter. It's a micro optimization I enjoy that also sacrifices your ability to do a 1000 Enmity Pot snap aggro+gap closer if you burn it for the minor potency increase. A small tradeoff, but one that wouldn't make you cringe as much as you would if you had to press Defiance.

Shake it off your bar. Too OP or Too UP. Bad concept, bad skill.

Unchained/Inner Release: Lower Inner Release's CD to 60 or 90(Give me back old Berserk).
Unchained: Does not share a recast timer with Inner Release. But costs 100 instead of 20.
Why 100? Because Unchained is the biggest DPS increase button that also grants you the buff of Defiance(The HP and the Aggro). It is worth more than 2 Fell Cleaves if you have to use it for the full duration. This one isn't really a big deal but Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone are upgraded under Unchained: Fell Beast(500 Pot, 100% Lifesteal, 20% Mitigation for 6 seconds) and Steel Decimation(280 Pot, x6 enmity modifier). The last section is possibly over the top but it is fun to think of.

And lastly, Global Change to Tank Stance and maybe cooldowns. I don't have creative ideas or flavours but I want to present a concept moreso and you will know what concept I will be referencing.

Tank Stances: Grant a Shield to self that equals to 10% of your maximum HP. When this Shield expires, grant 50 beast gauge/blood gauge/oath gauge.
Cooldowns: Inflict 50 pot of damage to enemies when hit.

Incase you don't understand: Make using cooldowns and Tank Stances rewarding. Because that is frankly all I want tanking to be. I want more DPS as a tank not just because it's about the big dick DPS numbers and I'm frankly tired of that narrowminded generalization. I want to be rewarded for playing the class well and that for doing so, to have an actual impact. I desire that skill gap.

All in all, as a retired Tank Main I am heavily disappointed by the direction that Stormblood is taking tanks. My axe will always be in my heart, but until SE quits fudging around with tanks after promising Balance for the price of a new tank, that is where it will stay. Hopefully 4.05 won't be a disappointment.









Did I mention how wet The Blackest Night and its very concept makes me?