Consolidating Warrior 4.0 Feedback Thread

**SyzzleSpark** · 07-05-2017 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

I don't think the other two tanks have to deal with their dps attacks gated behind a dps stance right?

Blood Weapon is gated behind Grit which is a pretty big deal. On average it is about 336 potency worth of mana before you even factor in the attack speed increase. PLD doesn't have anything gated behind a DPS stance other than AAs, but then again, nothing in PLD's rotation is ever exempt from the Shield Oath penalty, most notably Holy Spirit which is a measly 365.5 potency in Shield Oath, compared to Inner Beast which is an effective 437.5 potency and Bloodspiller which is 520 potency after factoring in Grit.

I just want to point out that both Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone deal more damage then Fell Cleave and Decimate would if they were usable in Defiance. I don't think anyone ever stops to consider this.

Inner Beast - 350*(1/.8) = 437.5 potency
Steel Cyclone - 200*(1/.8) = 250 potency

Before, Inner Beast was 300/.75 which is 400.

Fell Cleave (if it was usable in Defiance) - 500*.8 = 400 potency
Decimate (if it was usable in Defiance) - 280*.8 = 224 potency

So... you're actually gaining higher potency attacks relative to the rest of your rotation in Defiance....... hmm.

**Alphras** · 07-05-2017 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

I just want to point out that both Inner Beast and Steel Cyclone deal more damage then Fell Cleave and Decimate would if they were usable in Defiance.

This part was wrong.

Edit:
To make it more clear.

Inner Beast is a 350 potency attack in Defiance, since it is not affected by the Defiance penalty.
Fell Cleave would be 400 potency in Defiance, since it would be affected by the Defiance penalty.

**xvshanevx** · 07-05-2017 05:11 PM

Will add my opinion too to what I would like changed:

1. No stance-swapping penalty (if trying to force tanks tot nak in tank stance, then add a damage up penalty on Sword Oath, Defiance, and Blood Weapon),

2. Allow Onslaught to generate 10, but remove the enmity and damage.

3. Infuriate out of Combat

4. Add 10 BG for Vengeance, Raw Intuition, and Berserk,

5. Remove shared cooldown for Inner Release and Unchained

6. Turn Shake It Off into something useful.

7. Allow Equilibrium to not be affected by stances.

8. Give Bloodbath back.

**Alphras** · 07-05-2017 05:28 PM

Fell Cleave would be 400 potency against the 350 potency of Inner Beast. Your calculation is wrong. You don't apply the penalty to FC and also remove it from IB.

**SyzzleSpark** · 07-05-2017 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Alphras

Fell Cleave would be 400 potency against the 350 potency of Inner Beast. Your calculation is wrong. You don't apply the penalty to FC and also remove it from IB.

My calculation is not wrong, you just don't like it. So Fell Cleave should be usable in Defiance in addition to IB, and also ignore the damage penalty? -_- I agree WAR needs some help, but the job is about trade-offs and always has been.

I would be fine if Fell Cleave was usable in Defiance and ignored the penalty if they removed IB. I don't think that would really hurt WAR either, as they are swimming in personal mitigation right now.

**Launched** · 07-05-2017 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

My calculation is not wrong, you just don't like it. So Fell Cleave should be usable in Defiance in addition to IB, and also ignore the damage penalty? -_- I agree WAR needs some help, but the job is about trade-offs and always has been.

It is wrong. You either scale IB up as if it didn't have the penalty ignore (500 vs 437.5) or scale FC down and don't touch IB because it ignores the penalty (400 vs 350). You don't do both at once.

**Alphras** · 07-05-2017 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

My calculation is not wrong, you just don't like it.

No it is just flat out wrong. Please think about what you are actually comparing there. I am not even taking part in this FC in Defiance discussion.

**DrCynapsis** · 07-05-2017 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Shinkyo

- Replace Shake it off with the old PvP Thrill of War (AOE thrill of battle for the party)

Great idea, would put Shake it Off on par with Divine Veil.

**Caeara** · 07-05-2017 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

My calculation is not wrong, you just don't like it.

Actually it looks like you are changing the reference frame between your calculations, the ones for IB and SC seem to be calculated with defiance's penalty as the base and the FC/decimate set is with no stance as base.

Using IB and SC are just their flat stated potency of 350 and 200 respectively (no stance as base potency)
FC and decimate would be the numbers you originally used.

This leads to FC and Decimate being slightly more potency than their counterparts in this theoretical situation (50 and 24 potency respectively)

**Baci** · 07-05-2017 06:13 PM

IB in defiance 350 potency
IF FC would be possible in defiance 400 potency
FC in deliverance 500 potency
IF IB would be possible in deliverance 367.5 potency

For IB the 20% dmg reduce doesnt exist. You can only add 5% from deliverance for that example

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