WHM Divine Benison

[Cynfael]

doesn't mean I think it's good design.

I agree with this. It doesn't feel good to be rewarded for playing inefficiently; there are plenty of situations now where I know I don't need to use a Cure 2, but I'll throw it out there anyway just to pad my gauge for an upcoming CD or because I want to throw out a Benison.

Sure, we have the MP generation to support this, but deliberately overhealing like this runs counter to every WHM (and general healer) instinct instilled by the past few years of gameplay. If you aim for maximum efficiency, you'll see many fewer Lilies than someone who leverages Cure 2 to work the new system.

[VanilleFang]

...if you're willing to spend 1200 MP overhealing for it...

Uh, what? I'm not defending the lillies. All I'm saying is that 100% proc rate on Cure II != RNG.

[IttyBitty]

I agree with this. It doesn't feel good to be rewarded for playing inefficiently; there are plenty of situations now where I know I don't need to use a Cure 2, but I'll throw it out there anyway just to pad my gauge for an upcoming CD or because I want to throw out a Benison.

Sure, we have the MP generation to support this, but deliberately overhealing like this runs counter to every WHM (and general healer) instinct instilled by the past few years of gameplay. If you aim for maximum efficiency, you'll see many fewer Lilies than someone who leverages Cure 2 to work the new system.

Bingo.

We've spent years playing as efficiently as possible due to WHM's atrocious resource management before, so while it may not affect us as much now, it pains me to do so.

[QooEr]

...if you're willing to spend 1200 MP overhealing for it...

why overheal then? just use cure 2 and slap a benison after using it every time you need to however sporadic it is. the cooldown reduction aspect isnt that impactful anyways but get this: whm's gauge is literally the only beneficial gauge healers have. scholar's gauge is just a marker for how many aetherflow stacks you have (useless) and the fairy gauge is tied to 1 action so it might as well just be considered part of aetherpact. ast's gauge is straight up detrimental to the job compared to the old buff system for cards. i really dont see what the big deal is

[AlphaSonic]

why overheal then? just use cure 2 and slap a benison after using it every time you need to however sporadic it is. the cooldown reduction aspect isnt that impactful anyways but get this: whm's gauge is literally the only beneficial gauge healers have. scholar's gauge is just a marker for how many aetherflow stacks you have (useless) and the fairy gauge is tied to 1 action so it might as well just be considered part of aetherpact. ast's gauge is straight up detrimental to the job compared to the old buff system for cards. i really dont see what the big deal is

Cure => Not overheal but only 50% chance of lily.
Cure II => Overheal but always lily.

[QooEr]

Cure => Not overheal but only 50% chance of lily.
Cure II => Overheal but always lily.

how is cure 2 an overheal? just cast the heal when the tank is at lower hp. mp management isnt even an issue anymore and casting less heals allows for more healer dps. i rarely ever use regular cure anymore

[NamoNanamo]

Cure => Not overheal but only 50% chance of lily.
Cure II => Overheal but always lily.

That's why I don't use benediction, it overheal too much

just cast the heal when the tank is at lower hp

Shhhhh, It's a secret.

[zuzu-bq]

Uh, being a low recast on Benison just means everytime you'll use Cure spells to heal effectively and get a lilly it will be ready there as an extra (and a strong one). Why would you need/want to overheal for it?

[Cynfael]

how is cure 2 an overheal? just cast the heal when the tank is at lower hp. mp management isnt even an issue anymore and casting less heals allows for more healer dps. i rarely ever use regular cure anymore

Because the times when you would normally use Cure 2 don't always coincide with when you want to stack Lilies.

Under most circumstances, Cure and various regens and oGCD abilities are actually sufficient, maybe with occasional Cure 2; however, you may not see very many Lilies this way, and/or you may not have them when you want them.

Since MP regen supports it, you are rewarded more consistently for using Cure 2 even when it's not strictly necessary. Deliberately letting the tank's HP to drop dramatically so that you can be restoring more actual HP with Cure 2 is basically the same idea except that you still might not get Lilies exactly when you want them. E.g. If you've spent your Lilies and have a tankbuster coming up soon for which you want to apply Benison, you're going to find something to hit with Cure 2 regardless of whether or not they actually need it.

[QooEr]

Because the times when you would normally use Cure 2 don't always coincide with when you want to stack Lilies.

Under most circumstances, Cure and various regens and oGCD abilities are actually sufficient, maybe with occasional Cure 2; however, you may not see very many Lilies this way, and/or you may not have them when you want them.

this is exactly my point. you dont *ever* want to stack lilies for the sake of stacking them. lilies arent ever needed except for benison, so i pop benison right away on that occasional cure 2 since the lily will eventually get eaten by assize or tetra or asylum soon after. that way i have to heal even less, which lets me dps even more. besides, using benison only as a shield for tankbusters is unoptimal; even if you use cure 2 and benison AFTER a tankbuster, benison still works since its going to be eaten by autoattacks, so benison in itself is really more of a "heal" for 15% of the tank's hp.


bottom line is because cure 2 gives you a lily all the time, you can benison right after it and its a result similar to landing a critical hit on that cure 2. since cure 2 is not frequently casted, benison is usually up by the time you cast it again, which means its like youre critting every single cure 2 you use.