DRK needs re-tuning/buffing.

[Driavna]

I don't have any straw man argument but looks like you take my opinion as a personal attack. What I'm saying is a fact, if you are doing top tier raiding you will pick the best tool for each combat period, and no matter how much a developer try to balanc classes, items or encounters we area always favor X over Y (even is not something real but perceived by the community), is this wrong? No. This matter for easy content? No. (A lot of the feedback, not from you, is "delete my class".

Like it or not SE will wait to see how classes perform and their overall presence during the first tier of savage before do any dramatic changes or even a class overhaul, no matter how much you or I think some changes mechanicals changes are needed "now", such is life, mean time probably we will see just numbers tweaked here and there.

[hakurou46]

I don't have any straw man argument but looks like you take my opinion as a personal attack. What I'm saying is a fact, if you are doing top tier raiding you will pick the best tool for each combat period, and no matter how much a developer try to balanc classes, items or encounters we area always favor X over Y (even is not something real but perceived by the community), is this wrong? No. This matter for easy content? No. (A lot of the feedback, not from you, is "delete my class".

The difference between "some classes are better suited for some battles and we will always pick the ones that are best for this encounter" and what we have now is that while sure, earlier different classes brought different things to the table and you could pick what suited your group best, what we have now is more akin to "yeah so we can either take this tank, or we take this other one who deals more damage and takes less damage."

With how the game is now, there are no reasons to ever pick DRK over PLD.

[Niyuka]

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I get where you are coming from. I also understand that the current situation is not well-designed, and I agree with you it would be great to have 3 balanced tanks. I am simply very dubious whether we will actually see content that makes these things relevant. What you listed is years-old content that has publicly been dubbed a mistake in terms of difficulty, and we have already seen 2 tiers of content being MUCH softer, and far less demanding especially on tanks.
With Omega and the current Ex Primals, it seems to me SE is avoiding having to properly design balanced classes by simply making content easy enough so it wont matter.

But be that as it may, one MAJOR problem with tank balance will always be that tanks work along very very limited sets of parameters, in regards to what actually makes a good tank. In order to differentiate between the tank jobs, SE tried to give them niches, but whats to prevent everyone only bringing the niche tanks to their respective fights? I think in the end, all tanks will need to be pretty much the same, just different visuals, before true balance can be achieved.

[Chrono_Rising]

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You said perfect balance is impossible and so the best we can hope for is tweaks. This is a straw man argument, just because perfection is impossible doesn't mean the issues are minor. That was my point. I'm not taking anything personally.

In fact I agree with you that there is always an optimal composition and that will favor certain classes. But optimal and balanced are two different things. In my opinion warrior and dark knight are far below paladin and they need to be brought up to level and in some cases tweaks are fairly large.

I also agree that they will likely only tweak numbers at first. But if we come together as a community and voice a direction on a job they may listen. At the end we can say we tried.

[Chrono_Rising]

... What you listed is years-old content that has publicly been dubbed a mistake in terms of difficulty, and we have already seen 2 tiers of content being MUCH softer, and far less demanding especially on tanks...

Just a small correction, what I listed was the most recent tier which had a much more positive reception than Gordias.

I think that if the Alex had gone in the reverse order it would have been much better received, but that's neither here nor there. I think a more balanced approach to tanks will draw people back to tanking, it is a goal in its own right independent of how demanding the content. at some level most classs do the same thing.

[Driavna]

At any point I said: "no changes needed everything is perfect!"

[Chrono_Rising]

At any point I said: "no changes needed everything is perfect!"

Once again, never said you did, so I'm not sure why you are using quotes.

For clarity I will repeat myself.

I agree, perfect balance is impossible.
I agree, there is always an optimal composition for content, this is different from balance.
I disagree that either of these imply only small corrections, or tweaks, are necessary.

[Driavna]

I disagree that either of these imply only small corrections, or tweaks, are necessary.

I never said that either, I said: for now at best we will get numbers tweaks till after the first savage tier.

[Chrono_Rising]

Fair enough, I consider tweaks to be small changes to a system, and you indicate that you use it as adjusting numbers. I think our difference of opinion is semantic in nature.

[Falar]

Terrified ? Seriously ? You are terrified to use your best skill ?

Personnally, I'm using it ALOT. I've wasted just a few sometimes when I'm not totally used to a combat. But In Susanoo, it needs just 2 Auto-attack to break it, even if I'm main tank, and since Reprisal comes back for every tank buster, I can time how many TBN I do before keeping it for tank buster. (And I'm using VIT accessories)

In Omega story, same easy to break, just have to know the fight or pattern when Boss are doing there "no damage" skill. It's a bit harder on 3rd and 4th but I did those fight only once yesterday.

It's even more easier when you put it on someone else than you (main tank or DPS/heal with a target) and really up how many Bloospiller you do and so your DPS.

I'm also using it on pull and have 50 Blood right away to extend either Blood Price or Blood Weapon. It works really well.

And if it doesn't break, well it means you are taking 0 damage during 5sec against your ennemies. (Or the boss is changing phase or doing no damage. :P)

If it doesn't break its a major screw up (like we never had in our rotation before) and I can't stand mistakes. Losing a whole DA is a loss.