Scholar and Healing (ignoring the dps aspect)

[OcieKo]

There's also the fact that both AST and WHM have all these fancy OGCD FREE healing tools that cost nothing but miliseconds of animation lock, and most of SCHs most potent healing spells cost us aetherstacks, which is a quite limited source. When WHM/AST are done blowing off all their cool healing tools and proceed on to cure 2 spam

AST only has 4 OGCD heals, Essential Dignity (40s CD), Collective Unconcious (2m CD, might as well have a cast time since it takes about that long to register, also channeled), and Earthly Star (1m CD, but starts before detonation oddly, takes 10s to full power detonates at 20s regardless if its useful then, can "miss" if tanks/dps move and dont consider returning, and can be delayed 10s if one uses Celestial Opposition, and the delay is current state time added i.e. Oops 20s buildup). Last would be The Lady which is behind 3 layers of RNG and choices, Minor Arcana is a 5s CD with a 50% proc ratio that works off of a 30s with a 16.6% proc ratio which is also used used to assign 2 arguably more important functions than an OGCD heal, which after all is said and done has a potential to have between a 20s and 2min CD for a weaker than even Bene 2 heal (2m max CD being 2 uses of Sleeve Draw and 1 giving The Lady, 20s min being, Minor Arcanaing 2 Draws, and getting Lady out of Sleeve Draw. Could get a 4th with enhanced spear on self, but really?), but in practice could never show up for an entire dungeon or raid.

I agree adlo and succor cost too much MP. ABene was hit by MP cost increases as well, but alas it wasnt the most expensive single target heal in the game as adlo already was and still is, WHM regen escaped this hit somehow. IIRC Adloquium is 300pot heal with = shield that doubles on crits which would make it 600pot base with 900xcrit multiplier pot when critting. ABene is a 200pot heal with 250% shield (~230 pot after noct sect bonus) 705 base (230x2.5=575, 575+230=805) with just the crit multiplier to increase it further. Technically it is stronger non crit. I know crits potency was reduced due to direct hit/direct crit being added, so assuming its in the ballpark of 175% now as opposed to 200% thatd make them cap out at roulghly... (300x1.75=525, 525x2=1050, 525+1050=1575 for Adloq) (230x1.75=402.5, 402.5x2.5=1006.25, 402.5+1006.25=1408.75 for Noct ABene) Not enough for the cost difference but it is weaker on crit. Just for reference at 200% multiplier this would drop to 690 base/1207.5 Crit for Noct ABene.

[IanFrench]

With the current mp cost for adlo, it needs to have 50% more potency, *AND* auto-crit, to break even with astrologian.
Whomever thought it was ok for astro to get a base 2.5x multiplier on their shields, when sch only gets a 2x multiplier on a crit... needs to go back to school and learn math. Scholar is my favorite, and probably always will be, but I've lost alot of respect for SE in what they've done to it....

Along with Adlo, you also have free & 0GCD abilities like Lustrate for single target healing. This is the reason why Nact.AST 's Aspected Benefic has more potency.
And though aspected benefic is instant, it still has a GCD and not as flexible and quickly Lustrate.

Not to mention when critical heals, adlo still beats the aspected benefic.

[Cynfael]

When WHM/AST are done blowing off all their cool healing tools and proceed on to cure 2 spam, us SCHs clench our asses and hope aetherflow comes off cooldown soon because physick botspam can only do so much

I'm laughing to myself because this is true.

Whatever your position on the state of SCH vs. the other two healer jobs, you have to admit that this is a thing. Ideally SCH should be able to handle almost anything with proper CD usage, but whether it's on account of not knowing a fight very well or because of your party members making life difficult, I would wager that every SCH player has experienced the "oh-shit-I'm-out-of-stacks-and-CDs" butt-clench. AST and WHM in a similar position only tighten their sphincters in the relatively rare situation when it's evident that even Cure II/Benefic II spam can't keep pace.

[Liii]

Along with Adlo, you also have free & 0GCD abilities like Lustrate for single target healing. This is the reason why Nact.AST 's Aspected Benefic has more potency.
And though aspected benefic is instant, it still has a GCD and not as flexible and quickly Lustrate.

Our 3 free heals per minute are equivalent to both whm and ast cure2/benefic2 as well as medica/Helios. The thing is we don't have spammable heals available in a pinch which leads to us literally being unable to catch up on heals if shit goes south while stacks are down. Fairy is too slow acting to function as a healing boost in those situations unless you eat her for stacks.

Anyways, I'm finding that lustrate is becomong less of an oh shit button and more of a cure 2 for me because adlo is too freaking expensive to use more than 3 times (plus it's not good to use to top health off) and physick spam can't keep up with the rate tank health drops these days.

[EaMett]

After leveling SCH and WHM to 70 and currently on 63 with my AST I will say. SCH is in serious need of love.
It probably wouldn't take much. Maybe a slight adlo reduction cost and/or shield buff. + a trait that gives scholars a chance of retaining an aetherflow stack instead of consuming it. Perhaps 20% chance might be a good starting point? Or link it to some other mechanic.

[Riyshn]

SCH's oGCD heals aren't actually free in practice. They don't have an MP cost listed in the tooltip, no, but they compete with Energy Drain for Aetherflow stacks, which is a direct 1200MP gain.

All Aetherflow abilities other than Energy Drain effectively cost 1200MP, because using the stack on anything else means you aren't getting that 1200MP from Energy Drain.

[Yhisa]

Scholar is the strongest healer that prevent raid damage....and always have been

Stop playing sch like a whm

in stormblood the MAIN healer and OFF healer rolls have been killed off healers now have to use their kit to deal with mechanics

also scholar indominity is 800 potency in 60 sec as it only got a 30sec cd.... ast earthly star is 60sec cd... for a 720 potency but u need to wait 10+ sec to even get 720

When you compare kits sch and whm have the bests kits to deal with most mechanics within the game

Ast provide rng cards.. got synasty and earthly star and collective unconcious and light speed.. but ast is force to deal with mechanics with rawr healing whilst we play with our cards

Sch can prevent mechanics from happening which a ast cannot do and sch have the best kit out of all the healers to deal with most mechanics within the game

Whm can flawlessly deal with mechanics with power healing which is much stronger then ast and sch healing

[Emitans]

Scholar is the strongest healer that prevent raid damage....and always have been

AST has stronger shields that cost less MP and are instant cast.

also scholar indominity is 800 potency in 60 sec as it only got a 30sec cd.... ast earthly star is 60sec cd... for a 720 potency but u need to wait 10+ sec to even get 720

Indom isn't free. It competes with Lustrate and Energy Drain for Aetherflow stacks.

Sch can prevent mechanics from happening which a ast cannot do and sch have the best kit out of all the healers to deal with most mechanics within the game

Again, outside of crits, AST's shields are better in every way than SCH's.

[Yhisa]

I have seen countless of scholars ignoring their kits.... like seriously iv been with scholars that dont even use adol+deployment tactics correctly and spamming succor trying to deal with the entire mechanic themselves

Your job as a scholar is to prevent raid damage so the ast and whm can heal with less stress

Not spam succor and trying to solo the mechanic yourself...

if your doing this as a scholar.... QUIT and reroll WHM please....because your playing like a WHM and not a SCH

WHM = Strongest heal /strongest heal dps
SCH = Strongest mitigation / medium heal dps
AST = Strongest buffer / lowest heal dps

Your job as a sch is to prevent raid damage and tank busters... so it allow your co healer to top up players with regens whilst your fairy helps out

[Lildragora]

WHM = Strongest heal /strongest heal dps
SCH = Strongest mitigation / medium heal dps
AST = Strongest buffer / lowest heal dps

This would be a great point if A. AST heal potencies in Diurnal were not higher than WHM and B. if AST Shield potencies were lower than SCH. Feel free to check their abilities http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/battle/

The only thing WHM has over AST is OGCD healing abilities and most of which can be optional in all the current fights we have currently. Sure you CAN use them but they are not NEEDED in the new content. WHM needs raid utility and SCH needs Mitigation, AST needs healing nerfs in both healing departments.