Thread: So 7.0.1 patch notes are out.

So they nerfed a class that was fine to begin with. Doesnt make it sound much better tbh.

I still feel like there were much more important things that needed to be fixed.

at least enmity is fixed - hopefully tanks can hold burst aoe a bit better now... : o

I'm still finding the lack of updates to Dragoon off-putting. Yoshida mentioned them specifically in comparing them to Samurai, as far as solo DPS versus party utility. But, currently, NIN has more utility than DRG and currently does 400 DPS more than DRG.

Originally Posted by Varathael

I'm still finding the lack of updates to Dragoon off-putting. Yoshida mentioned them specifically in comparing them to Samurai, as far as solo DPS versus party utility. But, currently, NIN has more utility than DRG and currently does 400 DPS more than DRG.

Even worse that he mentioned how the classes most punished by mechanics have the highest damage, when in reality two of the weakest dps right now are the ones most punished by mechanics. At least he stated that they may have gotten things wrong. I'm cautiously optimistic for 4.05.

Fix for machinists :
"An issue when using the machinist action Flamethrower wherein its effect ended when a target within range would move." (yay \o/ )
"An issue wherein the description of the status inflicted by the machinist action Dismantle was incorrect." (I'm wondering what is actually is)
"An issue wherein damage dealt when using the machinist action Rook Overdrive did not appear in the battle log."

Originally Posted by Varathael

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Been saying the exact same thing. NIN may be limited, DPS wise, to just Trick Attack utility but it is FAR better than anything DRG currently brings. Can be used more often, isn't as clunky and buffs EVERYONE by 10% for the same amount of time as Dragon Sight? Crits are nice but a reliable buff is far more valuable.

Originally Posted by Riotpersona

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DRG, arguably, is punished period (can't comment on MCH, I know little about it). While LoTD is serviceable, it is incredibly unwieldy sometimes, even against a dummy.

Originally Posted by Shunye

did you actually read the patch notes? it didn't say anything about a song needing to be played.....it said that party members dont need to be under the effect of a song. All that means is that if you are out of range of the bard's song, you will still get the buff for battle voice. I do find it funny that no one mentioned the huge fix for machinists.

you mean the flamethrower fix? I would love to be excited about it. But you'll forgive my lack of enthusiasm given the rest of the nothing.

Originally Posted by Elnidfse

Fixed? They flat out buffed Battle Voice by not even requiring a song to be played. A situation that shouldn't happen but a buff regardless.

Nope.

Activating Battle Voice requires that the Bard be playing a song, that has not changed. The range of BV also has not changed and is still set at 20 yards. Songs are 25 yards. Ideally anyone receiving Battle Voice will always be under the effect of one of the Bard songs.

What this change does is make sure that BV still lands in specific cases where, for whatever reason (like if you press one and then the other really quickly), the other players in the group do not have the effect of your song on them. If it's a buff, it's an exceptionally minor one.

The Troubadour change is indeed a buff, but one by way of fixing a design flaw with the skill itself - that it didn't affect the Bard as well was simply a flaw in how it was designed.

Originally Posted by Shunye

did you actually read the patch notes? it didn't say anything about a song needing to be played.....it said that party members dont need to be under the effect of a song. All that means is that if you are out of range of the bard's song, you will still get the buff for battle voice. I do find it funny that no one mentioned the huge fix for machinists.

A lot of the blind trying to lead as far as ranged goes on these forums lately. Soooooo much misinformation around here as well.