LOLSE, We're not wearing 270 STR to hold hate, c'mon now...

[YitharV2]

They could, but if tank stats become important then they'd have to start balancing around tank stats, which would again mean that if Jimmy Spellspeed the poorly melded paladin tries to tank something he'll get clobbered. I wish they actually would do stuff like that, but whattayagonnado. Game's super casual in all the bad ways.

No they don't. They just need to make Tenacity give like -10% damage reduction when stacked (which wouldn't be so different from Storm's Path), which still requires tanks to use their CDs but also saves healer GCDs. Right now it's around -5%? Not totally worthless, but not worth taking. As far I know they didn't balance bosses around Storm's Path, so Storm's Path just made everything a bit easier.

if the job is no longer "fun" because "mah deeps" I dont see that as a valid concern.

Why not? I have no idea why you put fun in quotes. Fun is subjective. And I'll say it right now. Tanking is boring as crap in this game compared to TERA. I can watch Netflix while holding aggro and mitigating damage. You don't think it's a valid concern that certain roles are boring and bland without optimizing DPS? I would never try doing that in TERA, because I would get wrecked as a tank.

[Poison_Rose]

Why not? I have no idea why you put fun in quotes. Fun is subjective. And I'll say it right now. Tanking is boring as crap in this game compared to TERA. I can watch Netflix while holding aggro and mitigating damage. You don't think it's a valid concern that certain roles are boring and bland without optimizing DPS? I would never try doing that in TERA, because I would get wrecked as a tank.

I was going to make a point about the comment you're replying to yesterday but I ended up forgetting, but yeah my reply would have essentially been this. The game being less fun because of less DPS is a perfectly valid concern, imo.

[Evaddaragon]

The game being less fun because of less DPS is a perfectly valid concern, imo.

... really? I personally never had more fun on the single basis that I did a few more hundred points of DPS. I have fun on the basis of seeing new mechanics, location settings and clearing new content, and progressing the main story. But simply a bit more DPS? Nope. Never.

[PK_THUNER]

A few hundred more dps... it more like 600-800 more dps. My clear time on sss went from 7 secs left to 38 secs left.

[YitharV2]

... really? I personally never had more fun on the single basis that I did a few more hundred points of DPS. I have fun on the basis of seeing new mechanics, location settings and clearing new content, and progressing the main story. But simply a bit more DPS? Nope. Never.

It's not the numbers. It's using your full kit and having fun. I mean, maybe you have fun just doing 1-2-3 and Flash/Overpower/whatever, but a lot of us don't. MSQ was interesting but after you finish the story and clear content, then what? There are periods of content lulls, which is why gameplay should also be engaging.

You know, despite being a dps main, I don't understand this mindset. I mean, I'm as happy as can be when I score a 40k Midare crit, don't get me wrong, but not enjoying a job on the basis I don't see five digit numbers all the time...? As a tank, I have the most fun when I'm holding hate in dps stance and shrugging off tank busters, not because "OMG LOOKIT MUH FELL CLEAVE GUYS"! I don't even care about the numbers specifically, I just like shrugging off those hits like so much chump change.

About the only complaints I could see being valid would be inability to hold hate or broken gameplay mechanics, but lower numbers? Only way I could see that being bad is if you prefer prioritizing epeen over clearing content.

I'll bite even though. I never once complained about numbers (which is why I'm fine with the recent buff) just about using my full kit and having fun. It's equivalent to only having 1 combo and 1 AoE and nothing else on a DPS. Can do that while watching Netflix.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I'll bite even though. I never once complained about numbers (which is why I'm fine with the recent buff) just about using my full kit and having fun. It's equivalent to only having 1 combo and 1 AoE and nothing else on a DPS. Can do that while watching Netflix.

You say your not complaining about the numbers, and yet you're very clearly upset about not doing dps comparable to a full dps, going off of your own past posts and the posts here in this thread, so which is it? You can't say you aren't complaining about the numbers, while simultaneously asking SE to make your numbers bigger.

[Evaddaragon]

It's not the numbers. It's using your full kit and having fun. I mean, maybe you have fun just doing 1-2-3 and Flash/Overpower/whatever, but a lot of us don't.

Now hold on a freakin' minute. Saying I don't care about the actual numbers I put out never meant I simply 1-2-3 and Flash. What I'm saying is I don't have "more fun" simply because my damage numbers are higher, or the run has ended in 20 minutes instead of 25. Heck, I'm not having more fun simply because I've done more damage when I do play a DPS either.


People who don't actually cry about the recent changes for tank damage aren't people that simply spam 1-2-3. That's definitely one misconception people need to get out of their heads. It's never even been remotely relevant.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I was going to make a point about the comment you're replying to yesterday but I ended up forgetting, but yeah my reply would have essentially been this. The game being less fun because of less DPS is a perfectly valid concern, imo.

You know, despite being a dps main, I don't understand this mindset. I mean, I'm as happy as can be when I score a 40k Midare crit, don't get me wrong, but not enjoying a job on the basis I don't see five digit numbers all the time...? As a tank, I have the most fun when I'm holding hate in dps stance and shrugging off tank busters, not because "OMG LOOKIT MUH FELL CLEAVE GUYS"! I don't even care about the numbers specifically, I just like shrugging off those hits like so much chump change.

About the only complaints I could see being valid would be inability to hold hate or broken gameplay mechanics, but lower numbers? Only way I could see that being bad is if you prefer prioritizing epeen over clearing content.

[Falar]

Last numbers I saw had Tenacity at 1%. 5%?

[Evaddaragon]

Last numbers I saw had Tenacity at 1%. 5%?

Those aren't the latest. Here they are: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...city_datadump/