Problem: Items are Worthless

[Peregrine]

I hope you paid whoever you leeched off of to 50, and I hope you wisen up and get to gathering. It's the only way you're going to stay competitive with carpenters and alchemists who have. They're flat-out better than you are, and you can't make up for it for levelling another craft to 50. You thought you could. You thought wrong. You try to propose a system that keeps you relevant to this society. You're a first generation crafter flash in the pan style player. Now you're fading to obscurity because nothing you have is exceptional now that you can't ride any market bubbles.

Propose a sustainable market, not another bubble for you to ride.
Crafters like you are too common to give the keys to weapons that are 20% better than +3s. That's the reality.

[Solipse]

[Deleted response to Peregrine - there is valid discussion later in this thread, please keep reading.]

[Haru]

This happens in every MMO, it's a by product of people wanting the best items and flooding the market to make them.

You cannot avoid it and never will unless there is influx of demand, as weapons do not break they will always be available..

Today there are 200 +1 bows
Tomorrow there are 300 +1 bows
Next Week 3000 +1 bows..

To bad there are only 2000 players so the demand for this is now worthless..



EDIT: What about making the repair materials cost a working bow..
NQ bow can use a normal item (say crab shell)
+1 requires 1 NQ bow
+2 requires 2 NQ bows
+3 requires 3 NQ bows

Silly idea but this would reduce your so called flooding.. Although it wont fix the prices I imagine they would stay low.

Real life economis mean that if you have a house for every person there would be no housing market.

[Amineri]

This happens in every MMO, it's a by product of people wanting the best items and flooding the market to make them.

You cannot avoid it and never will unless there is influx of demand, as weapons do not break they will always be available..

Today there are 200 +1 bows
Tomorrow there are 300 +1 bows
Next Week 3000 +1 bows..

To bad there are only 2000 players so the demand for this is now worthless..



EDIT: What about making the repair materials cost a working bow..
NQ bow can use a normal item (say crab shell)
+1 requires 1 NQ bow
+2 requires 2 NQ bows
+3 requires 3 NQ bows

Silly idea but this would reduce your so called flooding.. Although it wont fix the prices I imagine they would stay low.

Real life economis mean that if you have a house for every person there would be no housing market.

It's a novel idea! I never call an idea silly, because often the "silly" ideas serve as the basis for other ideas.

Two issues I see with your proposed system:
1) You would be making the repair material a non-stacking item. I think this would further kill a lot of peoples inventories. Requiring three inventory slots worth of items (i.e. 3 NQ bows) to perform one repair might result in some foaming at the mouth.
2) These bows would STILL be created faster than used for repairing. To balance the supply / consumption, I think that items would have to degrade much more quickly then they do now -- and SE already (a) reduced durability drop rate (b) changed damaged % to 35% from 50%.

This is the same reason why having items degrade and be destroyed to remove them from the game won't work. Items just can't degrade fast enough to balance the supply. One crafter can easily turn out 6 bows in one hour (counting time spent making subcomponents). To balance this, 6 bows would have to degrade to the point of breaking in that same hour. I think this would cause people to riot in the streets

Ultimately, some other form of excess item removal has to be introduced. Currently the options are (a) destroy (b) sell to NPC.

Realistic (to my mind) options that I've seen floated include (a) de-synthesis (b) using items to create materia.

De-synthesis creates another source of materials flowing into the system, and so would have to be balanced against gathering and combat drops, making it tricker.

My current best hope is for Materia-creation. Something along the lines of:
Item A + Item B + ... + Item X + Gathered Catalyst ~> Materia
Could use multiple of the same item, of various combinations of items. Depending on the items used, the type of Materia created is different.

Even this system will saturate eventually, once all the Materia that people want has been created, unless there is a form of consumable materia, thus creating continual demand for new Materia. Perhaps special-ability Materia like a summon spell is consumed upon use, while other forms aren't, or something along those lines.

[Scarface]

mad???????