Large pulls VS Small pulls... in leveling dungeons?

[Yahallo]

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I think 2 packs is pretty standard in Ex at the moment. Possible to handle more, but you need to make sure everyone is up for it.

As for your Drk, I mean some tanks are just more comfortable with higher HP. The higher HP can have a bit of a psychological effect that makes them feel more at ease and focused. Some people come from other MMO's where tanks don't necessary have a DPS meta so it may be what they are used to. It is technically the intended play style so there is nothing wrong with it. It is likely more of a comfort thing if I had to guess; of course, even an educated guess is still only a guess. Different play styles for different people.

[YitharV2]

Only the more VIT you have now, the less damage you do, and the harder it becomes to hold aggro vs well geared dps. someone at SE wasn't thinking.

Yeah it was a really stupid change for a tangential reason.

I think 2 packs is pretty standard in Ex at the moment. Possible to handle more, but you need to make sure everyone is up for it.

As for your Drk, I mean some tanks are just more comfortable with higher HP. The higher HP can have a bit of a psychological effect that makes them feel more at ease and focused. Some people come from other MMO's where tanks don't necessary have a DPS meta so it may be what they are used to. It is technically the intended play style so there is nothing wrong with it. It is likely more of a comfort thing if I had to guess; of course, even an educated guess is still only a guess. Different play styles for different people.

Well, he comes from WoW so I don't think he's unaware of the DPS meta. I used to sit in tank stance and he told me that was bad. "gotta drop grit for that full 450 potency C&S" That was in Heavensward though. Yeah, I think he's probably more comfortable with it. He was saying how stuff hurts more now.

[Evaddaragon]

Nothing a well-timed Hallowed Ground couldn't fix - Of which you should be able to use twice in a average dungeon run that lasts about 25 minutes.

As a main PLD, I'd agree, except that the keyword is "well-timed" and that one PLD we had didn't bother using it... so, like I said, I expect it was improper cooldown usage.

[Hayward]

If healer asks to pull more it'll be only his fault if you'll wipe (you'll probably not because unsure in their abilities healers never ask for this).
No reason to make a dungeon slower on purpose.
A lot of reasons to make it faster though, because you can use saved time in other activities.
5-10 saved minutes per dungeon may not look much, but they add every day into hours into days.

This argument belongs in a Hefty bag. It's pure rubbish.

No one needs to be somewhere else that badly, otherwise they'd be doing something else besides being a general PITA to players who don't subscribe to the power-gamer mentality.

[Keydah]

Yeah...I've seen this too, in Bardam's Mettle and Doma Castle. It completely and utterly destroyed Doma Castle for me; I don't have the balls to ask them to slow down, so I just sat there having a panic attack the entire run, ruining the end of the story arc for my boyfriend and I, and they died once because they pulled way too much. There's no reason to be mass pulling in a leveling dungeon...

[Ahzarhuuk]

I don't tank often but when I do I never chain pull unless the healer is basically poking me with a stick to do so.

[Yahallo]

This argument belongs in a Hefty bag. It's pure rubbish.

No one needs to be somewhere else that badly, otherwise they'd be doing something else besides being a general PITA to players who don't subscribe to the power-gamer mentality.

Eh, there have been countless times when I wished I was able to save an extra 5-10 minutes where it was enough time to get in in an extra run of something before I have to log off to go somewhere else.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I don't do large pulls in leveling dungeons. If the party doesn't like it, they can kick me.

Spoiler: I've never been kicked for pulling small in leveling dungeons, HW or SB. I generally get one to three comms.

I have. And I was told I was a garbage tank prior to the kick.

[Coatl]

To make myself clear I do not expect tanks to auto large-pull by default. I've been through enough healers leveling DRK to understand how deterring it can be when you constantly die to no fault of your own.

But please, as a healer, if I ask for larger pulls can you attempt to make the effort? I've had tanks tell me "ok but don't expect much!" or "I'll do my best but I'm not use to it." That's okay! I will take the blame if things go wrong, and worst comes we can slow down if need be.

No one needs to be somewhere else that badly, otherwise they'd be doing something else besides being a general PITA to players who don't subscribe to the power-gamer mentality.

Maybe they just want to be in another dungeon, getting more EXP. Why get 2 dungeons in one hour when you can get 3?

[Skivvy]

I almost never have a tank that doesn't pull big groups even in the new stuff, and they never ask. Then they blame me when they don't use cooldowns because "Muh deeps", I blow all my cooldowns trying to keep them alive, still have to chain cast to heal their yo-yoing health, and they still die. I had hoped that with mobs hitting harder in this expansion tanks would realize that maybe they don't want to pull like insane monkeys, but unfortunately that hasn't been the case.

This is what I've been finding as well. I made it through the MSQ during that first week of early access, and even on my first runs, the tanks were doing huge pulls. I've had only one tank ask what type of pulls I am comfortable with. Even now, sitting at i309, there are times that I just can't keep the tank alive regardless of what I do.